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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #24 - 06/01/06 at 22:14:11
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I presume, of course, that 7 ... Ne4 must be the mainline, but Black does not seem to score particularly well here.  8 Bd2 Nxd2 9 Nxd2 d6 10 e4 seems to take all the fun out of the position for Black...
  

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #23 - 06/01/06 at 21:57:46
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MNb wrote on 03/28/06 at 03:31:14:
I have taken another look at the 5...Qa5+ variation and I find Black's play rather depressing. 10...f5 11.f3 fxe4 12.fxe4 exd5 13.exd5
a)13...Bg7 14.Nc3 Rb8 14.o-o-o o-o 16.Bxc4 Nc7 17.Nde4 Vucic-Gurevich, St Martin Open 1993.
b)13...Rb8 14.Nxc4 Bb7 15.Nc3 Nc7 transposes to Izsak-Van Beers, Vejen 1993. The game went 16.Rd1 Bg7 (Rg8 17.Ne4) 17.Nd6+ Kf8 18.Bc4 Be5 19.Nce4 Ne8 20.Nf5.
In both games I only see active knights, no active bishops.
So I tend to prefer 5...exd5 too. My choice would have been 6.cxd5 Qa5+ 7.Nc3 Ne4 8.Bd2 Nxd2 9.Nxd2 d6 striving for a kind of Modern Benoni. I do not trust the old main line 6...h6 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.Qc2 d6 9.e4 a6 10.a4 b4 11.Nfd2 and again the knights go to the ideal squares c3 and c4. Moreover here 11.Nbd2 Bg4 12.e5! is not an easy walk either.


I think MNb's line might be the best way out of the thicket.  I just posted on the Nimzo thread on 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 c5 4 d5 b5 5 Bg5 exd5 6 cxd5 h6 7 Bxf6 Qxf6 8 Qc2! (maybe it doesn't deserve a "!" but I think it's markedly stronger than 7 Nc3).  So:

1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 c5 4 d5 b5 5 Bg5 exd5 6 cxd5 Qa5+ 7 Nc3

I'm not sure that 6 ... Qa5+ 7 Nc3 resolves any of Black's queenside problems.  I like 7 ... Be7 8 d6 Bd8, which turns out okay if Black can find some way to activate his/her queenside pieces.  But look at 7 ... Be7 8 Qd2! 0-0 9 d6 Bd8 10 Bxf6 Bxf6 11 Nd5 Qxd2+ 12 Nxd2; Black is really hurting!

Instead: 6 ... Qa5+ 7 Nc3 d6 (which Black has to play at some point anyway...) 8 Bxf6 gxf6 9 Qd3 c4 10 Qe4+ Be7 and Black might even have a reasonable game on the queenside, so long as the fractured pawn structure on the kingside doesn't become too serious a liability.  I suppose an alternative to 9 ... c4 is 9 ... Bd7, but I'm not sure I want to pin down my pieces to passive defense.  Having said that, I'm worried about 11 Nd4 when the f5 square looks vulnerable.  11 Nd4 b4 12 Nd1 f5 13 Nxf5 Bxf5 14 Qxf5 Nd7 15 e3 c3 16 bxc3 bxc3.  Black may have some compensation for the pawn, but I'm not sure I would like to play Black here...
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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #22 - 05/20/06 at 05:25:48
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Great game; Knaak's one of my favourite players.
  
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Reply #21 - 05/20/06 at 04:06:08
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Here's a beautiful game -- one of the most spectacular I have seen in some time.  If it is new to you, I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did.

Garcia Martinez,S (2450) - Knaak,R (2490) [E10]
Tunja Tunja (5), 1984

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.Nf3 e6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.Nc3 b4 8.Ne4 Qxb2 9.Rb1 Qa3 10.e3 f5 11.Ne5 fxe4 12.Qh5+ Kd8 13.Nf7+ Kc7 14.Nxh8 g5 15.Nf7 Qc3+ 16.Kd1 d6 17.h4 Bd7 0-1

This is the only game with 8.Ne4 in my database...
  
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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #20 - 05/19/06 at 12:10:54
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Buying Przewoznik saves you some time, as all old and new main lines are treated. He offers quite some new (already old) ideas and spends a lot of time on typical structures. Unfortunately his book is a bit chaotic mix of variation tree and annotated games book. He will lead you in the right direction, but there will still remain work to do.
  

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #19 - 05/19/06 at 05:27:33
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(Just to note that there is another thread on the Blumenfeld at http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1143385887)

I feel like though the lines ErictheRed mentions are critical, they are also quite unclear and if Black is careful to hold the center together he seems to do quite well.  It may turn out that such a strategy is not possible for Black in general, though...

I'm more immediately interested in seeing what the response to 5.Bg5 ought to be.  I don't think that 5...Qa5+ is so great, in part because of the lines mentioned above, and so I've been initially looking at some of the fascinating lines after 5...h6, in particular 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.Nc3 b4 8.Nb5 Kd8.  The whole enterprise requires more study than I've given it so far, but Black's position, if chaotic, is surprisingly resilient.  Has this line been put out of business?

As a side note (which may be quite relevant if these things are discussed there), I've ordered a copy of Przewoznik's text, mainly because it was so cheap, it seemed silly not to have it if I was going to look at these lines -- it seems to have been positively received when it came out, but is it still reliable?
  
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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #18 - 05/17/06 at 02:38:06
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Yes, that is critical. 6...d5 7.g3 Bd6 (maybe Be7 with the same idea) 8.Bg2 Bb7 9.o-o o-o and Black has two plans: play on the queenside with x...a6 7.bxa6 Rxa6 and play on the kingside with the manoeuvre Qd8-e8-h5, in the ideal case combined with e6-e5.
  

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #17 - 05/16/06 at 14:27:40
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That's true, MNb.

I've never played the Blumenfeld for either side (except in blitz), but one line that really puts me off is 5.de fe 6.cb and 7.g3.  Has Black got anything special here?
  
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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #16 - 05/16/06 at 02:43:54
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Don't know. But after 7...b4 one thing is sure: Black cannot play x...exd5 as after 9.cxd5 the important c4 square is free for a knight.
  

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #15 - 05/15/06 at 23:27:38
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Just curious: is there anything wrong with the obvious (to me at least) 7...b4 (after MNb's 7. Nfxd2!)?  This move makes White's knight on b1 look kind of silly.  White's probably still better, but Black seems OK after something like 8.Bxf6 gf 9. g3 Bb7 10.g3 f5 (note that 9.e4 f5 10.exf5 Bg7! is complicated but probably equal).
  
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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #14 - 03/28/06 at 03:31:14
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I have taken another look at the 5...Qa5+ variation and I find Black's play rather depressing. 10...f5 11.f3 fxe4 12.fxe4 exd5 13.exd5
a)13...Bg7 14.Nc3 Rb8 14.o-o-o o-o 16.Bxc4 Nc7 17.Nde4 Vucic-Gurevich, St Martin Open 1993.
b)13...Rb8 14.Nxc4 Bb7 15.Nc3 Nc7 transposes to Izsak-Van Beers, Vejen 1993. The game went 16.Rd1 Bg7 (Rg8 17.Ne4) 17.Nd6+ Kf8 18.Bc4 Be5 19.Nce4 Ne8 20.Nf5.
In both games I only see active knights, no active bishops.
So I tend to prefer 5...exd5 too. My choice would have been 6.cxd5 Qa5+ 7.Nc3 Ne4 8.Bd2 Nxd2 9.Nxd2 d6 striving for a kind of Modern Benoni. I do not trust the old main line 6...h6 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.Qc2 d6 9.e4 a6 10.a4 b4 11.Nfd2 and again the knights go to the ideal squares c3 and c4. Moreover here 11.Nbd2 Bg4 12.e5! is not an easy walk either.
  

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #13 - 03/26/06 at 20:19:55
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For what it's worth, the top players tend to prefer 5 Bg5 exd5...
  

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #12 - 11/15/04 at 16:21:18
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I think that Black can improve by playing 10...f5. It important for black to put pressure on the center and get some lines for his bishop.
11.de6 fe6 12.e5 d5 13.ed6 Bd6. 14.Nc4  Black has two nice bishops with plenty of open lines.

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #11 - 11/05/04 at 22:15:30
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At the main page of chesspub I read, that Glenn Flear
does not think too high of 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 b5 5.Bg5 because of Qa5+. Now I have not subscribed for several reasons (low salary, impossibitlity of transferring money from Suriname), but still I am curious about 6.Qd2 Qxd2+ 7.Nfxd2! (very common in the Blumenfeld) bxc4 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.e4 Na6 10.a3 Rb8 11.Nxc4 Nc7 12.Nc3 a6 13.a4 (prevents Nb5) d6 14.Bd3 Bb7 15.o-o-o Bh6+ 16.Kc2 Bf4 17.Ne2 exd5 Jongsma-Przewoznik, Haarlem 1980 (with a small transposition) and now Przewoznik in his book on the Blumenfeld gives 18.exd5! Nxd5 19.Nxf4 Nxf4 20.Nxd6+ Kf8 21.Nxb7 with almost a won position. The Black pawns are weak but his bishops are not too active.
Are there any improvements for Black?
  

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Re: Coverage of the Blumenfeld
Reply #10 - 11/05/04 at 13:37:22
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Lot of general chit chat about this line but as yet no  hard coverage.

So  let start at the begining is whites best line to take the pawn or should he decline the gambit by say Bg5
  
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