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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #166 - 04/10/15 at 17:09:47
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Could you name numbers or games? For example, how high is your rating?

Actually, it's pretty much ok for me to see the lines proposed by Mikhalevski against the Nbd2 line. If White wants nothing, then we make a draw and get on. And these are not dead drawn lines, Black just gets equality. I'm not sure if the Bg4 lines are that nice for Black because White can simply put up an attack on the kingside with pretty easy motivs. Maybe one can fix the lines, but me surely not Cheesy
  
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Reply #165 - 04/07/15 at 17:13:32
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I simply play Nxb3 after Nbd2 and have had zero issues in this line. 

White just does not have enough here to win by force.  Back gets the B pair and the engines claim a nominal +/= but found it to be very reasonable to hold the resulting positions.  In addition, most players of White spend zero time looking at this as this move is considered taboo.



  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #164 - 04/06/15 at 21:26:26
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CarriedbyGg wrote on 04/05/15 at 14:38:53:
Any new opinions about how to play against Nbd2? I'm on 2100 Elo level and I'm searching for a combative choice. Mikhalevski has some pretty decent analysis in his book, but against a non-booked opponent there are too many drawish endgames as it seems. So I thought about playing this Bg4 stuff instead. Do you have any opinions on that?


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I had the same problem. Mikhalevski clearly worked hard on the book, but the repertoire doesn't seem like a great choice of lines for ordinary players. I looked into Bg4 a bit, but mostly just succeeded in convincing myself that White is better there. It seems like against everything other than 9.c3 (which White is kind to keep playing OTB at all), Black either gives White a healthy advantage, or grovels for a draw.

My way of dealing with this was to basically just give up on the Open Defense. In my opinion it is more trouble than it is worth. Honestly not sure why anyone plays it at this point. Heck, in 46 games with the Open in the last 10 years, Mikhalevski himself has a performance rating (I mean performance minus actual rating) of -98. By contrast, his performance rating after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 is -6! Probably as a result of this, his performance against 1.e4 on the whole is -73 whereas his performance against 1.d4 is -9. Maybe he would benefit from learning a new defense to 1.e4 himself.  Undecided
  

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Reply #163 - 04/05/15 at 14:38:53
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Any new opinions about how to play against Nbd2? I'm on 2100 Elo level and I'm searching for a combative choice. Mikhalevski has some pretty decent analysis in his book, but against a non-booked opponent there are too many drawish endgames as it seems. So I thought about playing this Bg4 stuff instead. Do you have any opinions on that?
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #162 - 11/18/14 at 21:50:55
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PANFR wrote on 11/18/14 at 19:48:16:
It seems that Mikhalevski does not dig correspondence databases.

maybe he does, but the game isn't in the database yet because the tournament still isn't finished
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #161 - 11/18/14 at 19:48:16
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tony37 wrote on 11/17/14 at 13:55:11:
seems like Mikhalevski has discovered 17.Na3 too now (see his last update)


I'm not a subscriber here, and the Mikhalevski game is not in my database (yet?).
I have seen Mickey's game though, and I never understood why he did not decide to take the c7 pawn at move 23- the ensuing ending is simply unpleasant for Black.
It seems that Mikhalevski does not dig correspondence databases.
And in any case, nothing to be proud of- 17.Na3 isn't my invention.
EDIT: Just saw the Mikhalevski game from a recent TWIC which I had not inserted in my database. Pretty depressing for Black...
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #160 - 11/17/14 at 13:55:11
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PANFR wrote on 01/14/14 at 18:30:05:
Black has several concrete problems to solve, even in lines which are not considered as dangerous anymore.
Here is a game I played at LSS against Tony37. His resignation was kinda surprising, but Black's position was very difficult, anyway.
17.Na3 is not mentioned by Mikhalevski, but it has been played before  at ICCF, and IMO it's white's most logical reaction in this position.

seems like Mikhalevski has discovered 17.Na3 too now (see his last update)
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #159 - 03/10/14 at 17:37:02
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Sorry to disturb you, but Mikhalevski does not advocate 10...d4 at all.
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #158 - 03/08/14 at 21:33:03
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ErictheRed wrote on 03/08/14 at 11:56:22:
Now you've changed your line again; previously you had 15...Qd7 which looked perfectly acceptable to Black to me. 



Black hits e4 with tempo and will then swing the queen to g6, which looks perfectly fine (without doing serious analysis) to me.

I'm glad that you supply variations (lots of other posters don't!), but some explanation of why you don't like a line would be helpful.  Anyhow Black seems to be OK in multiple lines here.



White was slightly better in the game and also on my analysis  Cry
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #157 - 03/08/14 at 17:41:06
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 03/08/14 at 07:40:19:
I am sorry but I am not able to understand which c5 are you talking  Cry...Please tell me


You don't?
Errr, in the Kosintseva- Mikhalevski game you have posted, 15...c5 (instead of 15...Bxd2) should be fine for Black.
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #156 - 03/08/14 at 11:56:22
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Now you've changed your line again; previously you had 15...Qd7 which looked perfectly acceptable to Black to me. 



Black hits e4 with tempo and will then swing the queen to g6, which looks perfectly fine (without doing serious analysis) to me.

I'm glad that you supply variations (lots of other posters don't!), but some explanation of why you don't like a line would be helpful.  Anyhow Black seems to be OK in multiple lines here.
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #155 - 03/08/14 at 07:53:05
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ErictheRed wrote on 03/07/14 at 15:28:40:
Chandra,

I won't pretend to know anything about the Open Lopez, but my first thought is: is there anything wrong with 13...Rb8, which looks natural to me?  That was played by Timman against Nunn back in the 80's and analyzed somewhere, though I don't remember where I saw it.  Maybe Glen Flear's older book, maybe Secrets of Grandmaster Chess, I have no idea. 

By the way, it isn't clear to me at all what's wrong with your 13...Bc5 line.  Black looks OK there to me, but maybe there's something I'm missing. 

I might not be the best person to help, but my point is that if you want help, you'd better explain what's wrong with your sidelines (and even main line), as I don't see much problem with Black's game after 17...Nxg5 in your 13...Bc5 line, among other confusions.


  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #154 - 03/08/14 at 07:40:19
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PANFR wrote on 03/07/14 at 19:14:40:
This is a line I was looking at as white, and dismissed it, as I could not find a real advantage after 15...c5 16.Nc4 0-0. Black is fine, as far as I'm concerned.


I am sorry but I am not able to understand which c5 are you talking  Cry...Please tell me
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #153 - 03/07/14 at 19:14:40
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This is a line I was looking at as white, and dismissed it, as I could not find a real advantage after 15...c5 16.Nc4 0-0. Black is fine, as far as I'm concerned.
  
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Re: Open Ruy Lopez
Reply #152 - 03/07/14 at 15:28:40
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Chandra,

I won't pretend to know anything about the Open Lopez, but my first thought is: is there anything wrong with 13...Rb8, which looks natural to me?  That was played by Timman against Nunn back in the 80's and analyzed somewhere, though I don't remember where I saw it.  Maybe Glen Flear's older book, maybe Secrets of Grandmaster Chess, I have no idea. 

By the way, it isn't clear to me at all what's wrong with your 13...Bc5 line.  Black looks OK there to me, but maybe there's something I'm missing. 

I might not be the best person to help, but my point is that if you want help, you'd better explain what's wrong with your sidelines (and even main line), as I don't see much problem with Black's game after 17...Nxg5 in your 13...Bc5 line, among other confusions.
  
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