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Reply #56 - 11/15/05 at 02:26:54
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Somehow I don't think one should play the From Gambit and then allow White to move his pawn from d2 to f2.  Seems to detract from the whole raison d'etre ...
  
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Reply #55 - 11/15/05 at 02:03:07
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you can play that gambit starting out with 1.d4 e5 also. there's a decent ammount of analysis on it in the englund gambit book by smith and hall. that book is a pretty decent one, by the way, because its really more just a translation of buckers analysis than anything else.
  
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Reply #54 - 11/15/05 at 01:42:35
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Well i couldnt very well let this thread go on for ever with out looking at a bit of the strange! I have recently begun to look at black gambits as a hobby and of course as a potential weapon!

Well i was going through all of my Gambit Cartel Files and found a column called "Not exactly opera box"

Mr.McGrew as always did a wonderful job on the article but the positions that arose were quite interesting.

The gambit in question which i have delayed long enough starts like so.

1. e4 e5
2. nf3 d6
3.d4 Bg4?!

Im sure the thought of most as well as that of McGrews is that now you are extremely happy with the white pieces. By chance you have fallen into one of the most famous games of chess ever played in which paul morphy okayed blindfold a game at the opera. But after morphys...

4.de Nd7!? This is the begining of the gambit! Attributed to blackburne. The idea is to develop the pieces, apply pressure on the e4 pawn. The king side attacks that may turn up are very fun to go over. Often times black can win back the pawn with a better position to show for the opening.

The positions that arise from the opening are not very philidor like. So if you are hoping for a quiter open game i would quite reading now. How ever if as a philidor player you perhaps play some of the side lines then this might be worth taking a look at. And if you are young and impressionable i suggest you go to chess cafe and download the Gambit Cartel in PDF format from the archives.

I would be interested in what you philidor players think of it. I cant really call my self one yet as i do not play it at every oppurtunity but i have been bringing it out along with my b6 and Najdorf. So perhaps there is hope for me yet!

Peace to you all

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Reply #53 - 11/10/05 at 10:06:45
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Kf3 = Nf3 of course

Look at games from the famous Dutch IM Manuel Bosboom (aka Woodtree on ICC)
  
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Reply #52 - 11/10/05 at 10:05:27
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1.e4,e52.Kf3,d6 3.d4, Qe7! is the way to play the Philidor
  
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Reply #51 - 11/10/05 at 10:01:39
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Who the **** is Mark Nieuweboer, never heard of that guy...
Maybe it's a guy who is only palying openings, not chess!!
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6! and Black is O.K.
Reply #50 - 10/30/05 at 15:30:18
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White has a nice advantage after 5.Nc3 (or 5.o-o) Be7 6.dxe5 dxe5 7.Ng5 Bxg5 (Nh6? 8.Ne6!) 8.Qh5 g6 9.Qxg5 Qxg5 10.Bxg5 because of the pair of bishops.
  

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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4,Nd7 4.Bc4,c6  Is Black OK?
Reply #49 - 10/30/05 at 04:24:52
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Hi everyone, can someone please help me out with the line  1.e4,e5  2.Nf3,d6  3.d4,Nd7  4.Bc4,c6      I've been trying to play the d6 and e5 pawn structure as Black against practically anything but this particular line seems to have a bit too much venom in it and even the most patient player of the black pieces can lose hair trying to defend this position.   Any analysis of the various attacking ideas for White and Black's best defenses would be greatly appreciated.   Please don't dismiss it as simply a bad opening for Black without giving some good analysis as to why a typical club player should fear playing it against another club player.  Thanks!!
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6! and Black is O.K.
Reply #48 - 10/06/05 at 19:07:16
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Just to have a break, what is the last refutation of :
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5?!
I mean, a refutation that everybody does agree with ...

There are too many "gods" lurking for anything in this forum to be agreed upon.  My own refutation is 4.Nc3.  If 4...fe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Nxe5 and it will be over soon.

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Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6! and Black is O.K.
Reply #47 - 09/23/05 at 15:43:29
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Just to have a break, what is the last refutation of :
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5?!
I mean, a refutation that everybody does agree with ...


Scroll back through the thread and you will find it.

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Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6! and Black is O.K.
Reply #46 - 09/23/05 at 15:28:46
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Just to have a break, what is the last refutation of :
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5?!
I mean, a refutation that everybody does agree with ...
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6! and Black is O.K.
Reply #45 - 09/22/05 at 21:27:17
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In order for this thread to look right, the player of the Black pieces needs to put on a special pair of glasses tinted a special shade of pink.  Know what I mean?
  
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Reply #44 - 09/22/05 at 15:41:54
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Hi everybody!

What do you think about..?:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 exd4

[a) 3...Nf6 4.dxe5 Nxe4 5.Qd5 Nc5 6.Bg5

A) 6...Qd7 7.exd6 Bxd6 8.Nc3 0-0 9.0-0-0 Nc6 10.Nb5! N +/- A1) 10...Nb4 11.Qc4; A2) 10...Ne7 11.Qc4; A3) 10...h6 11.Be3; A4) 10...Be7 11.Qxd7 Bxd7 12.Nxc7 Bxg5+ (12...Rac8 13.Bf4!?±) 13.Nxg5 Rac8 14.Rd5 (14.Nd5; 14.Nb5!?) 14...b6 15.Na6±; A5) 10...Qg4 11.Nxd6 cxd6 12.Be3! ^^ ><d6 12...Be6?! 13.Qxd6 Ne4 14.Qa3 Rfd8 15.Bd3 Nf6 16.Bg5! Nb4?! 17.h3!+- A5a) 17...Nxd3+ 18.Rxd3 Rxd3 19.Qxd3 Qa4 (19...Qxg2 20.Rg1 /\ Bf6+-) 20.Bxf6 (20.a3+-) 20...Qf4+ (20...Qxa2 21.Ng5! Qa1+ 22.Kd2 Qa5+ 23.b4!? Qxb4+ 24.Bc3 Qf4+ 25.Qe3+-) 21.Kb1+-; A5b) 17...Qxg2?! 18.Rhg1 Qxf2 19.Bxf6 Qe3+ 20.Kb1 Bxa2+ 21.Ka1 Qb6 22.Rxg7+ Kf8 23.Rxh7 1-0 Tiviakov,S-Barbero,G/Imperia 1993/Inf 59/[Tiviakov,S];

B) 6...Be7 7.exd6 Qxd6 8.Nc3
B1) 8...Qxd5 9.Nxd5 Bd6 10.0-0-0 Nc6 11.Bb5 Bd7 12.Rhe1+ Ne6 13.c4 Rc8 14.Bf4 a6 15.Bxd6 cxd6 16.Bxc6 Bxc6 17.Kb1 with small edge  Nijboer,F-Cifuentes Parada,R/Amsterdam/1994/0|1/65/;
B2) 8...Ne6 9.Bxe7 Qxe7 10.0-0-0 Nc6 11.Qe4 Qb4 12.Bc4 0-0 13.Nd5 Qc5 14.Qh4! Ionov,S-Yandemirov,V/Elista/1994/1|0/19/;

B3) 8...c6 9.Qxd6 Bxd6 10.0-0-0 Bc7 11.Bc4 h6
(11...Ne6 12.Bxe6! Bxe6 13.Nd4 h6 14.Bh4 Na6 15.Nxe6 fxe6 16.Ne4 0-0 17.f3 Rf7 18.a3 Bf4+ 19.Kb1 Nc7 20.g3 Be3 21.f4 Nd5 22.c4 Bxf4 23.cxd5 exd5 24.Nf6+ gxf6 25.gxf4 Kh7 26.f5 Re8 27.Rde1 Re5 28.Rhf1 Kg7 29.Bg3 Ree7 30.Bd6 Rd7 1-0 Korneev,O-Rivera,A/Neiva COL 2005) 12.Rhe1+ Ne6 13.Bh4 0-0 14.Bg3 Bf4+ 15.Bxf4 Nxf4 16.Re7 b5 17.Rxf7 Ne6 18.Rxf8+ Kxf8 19.Bxe6 Bxe6 20.Rd8+ Ke7 21.Rh8 Bd7 22.Ne5 Be8 23.f4 Na6 24.Rg8 g6 25.Rh8 h5 26.Ne4 Nb4 27.a3 Nd5 28.g3 a5 29.Rh7+ Ke6 30.Nf3 Ne3 31.Nfg5+ Kd5 32.Re7 Nf1 33.Re5+ Kd4 34.Nd6 Nxh2 35.Ne6# 1-0 Nevednichy,V-Kristovic,M/Zadar CRO 2004;
B4) 8...h6 9.Be3 c6 10.Qxd6 Bxd6 11.0-0-0 Be7 12.Bc4 Nba6 (12...Be6 13.Bxc5 Bxc4 14.Bxe7 Kxe7 15.Nd4 Be6 16.Rhe1 Re8 17.Ne4 Kf8 18.Nd6 Re7 19.N6f5 Re8 20.Nxe6+ fxe6 21.Nd4 Kf7 22.Rd3 Nd7 23.Nxc6 bxc6 24.Rxd7+ Re7 25.Rd6 Rc8 26.Kd2 1-0 Nedev,T-Trevelyan,J/Plovdiv BUL 2003) 13.Rhe1 Be6 14.Ne5 0-0 15.Bxe6 Nxe6 16.f4!Shmit,A-Peterson,A/URS/1972/0,5/30/;
B5) 8...Qe6+ 9.Be3 c6 10.Qd4 0-0 11.Bc4 Qg4 12.0-0-0 b5 13.Qe5! Qxc4 14.Qxe7 Nb7 15.Ng5 Qh4 16.Rd4 Qh5 17.Rhd1 Nd7 18.Rxd7 Bxd7 19.Qxd7 b4 20.g4 Qxh2 21.Nce4 Na5 22.Qf5 Nc4 23.Bc5+- Rad8 24.Qxf7+! Kh8 25.Bxf8 1:0 Rublevsky - Abramovic, Budva 1996 1-0 Rublevsky,S-Abramovic,B/JUG-chT Budva 1996/[Chekhov];

b) 3...Nd7 4.Bc4 c6 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.0-0 Be7 7.Ng5 Bxg5 8.Qh5 Qe7 9.Qxg5! Qxg5 10.Bxg5 b5 11.Be2 Ngf6 12.f3 Nc5
(12...Nb6 13.Nd2 Be6 14.Rfc1 Nfd7 15.c4 b4 16.a3 bxa3 17.Rxa3 f6 18.Be3 Ke7 19.Rca1 Nc8 20.Bxa7 Rxa7 21.Rxa7 Nxa7 22.Rxa7 Rb8 23.b3 Kd6 24.Kf2 g5 25.Bd1 h5 26.Be2 Nc5 27.Ke3 Bd7 28.Ra3 Ne6 29.Bd1 h4 30.Nb1 Nd4 31.Nc3 g4 32.f4 g3 33.hxg3 Bg4 34.fxe5+ fxe5 35.c5+ Ke7 36.Ra7+ Kf6 37.Bxg4 Rxb3 38.Kd2 Rb2+ 39.Ke1 Nc2+ 40.Ke2 Nb4+ 41.Kf1 hxg3 42.Rb7 Rf2+ 43.Kg1 Nd3 44.Ne2 Ne1 45.Rb3 Rxg2+ 46.Kf1 Kg5 47.Bh3 1-0 Tiviakov,S-Murshed,N/Dhaka BAN 2003)
13.Be3 Ne6 14.a4 b4 15.Rd1 Ke7 16.Nd2 c5 17.Bc4 Nd7 18.c3 Nc7 19.Nb3 bxc3 20.bxc3 Ba6 21.Rxd7+ Kxd7 22.Nxc5+ Kc6 23.Nxa6 Nxa6 24.Bxa6 Rhd8 25.Bc4 Rab8 26.Bd5+ Kc7 27.Bxa7 Rb2 28.a5 Rd6 29.Bb6+ Kc8 30.a6 1:0 Barria - Perez, Najdorf festival 1998 1-0 Barria,D-Perez,R/Buenos Aires 1998]

4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3 Be7

[5...d5 6.e5 Nfd7 7.f4 Nb6 8.a4 c5 9.Nf3 Nc6 10.Nc3 d4 11.Ne4 Bf5 12.Ng3 Be6 13.a5 Nd5 14.f5 Bc8 15.Bc4 Be7 16.0-0 Ne3 17.Bxe3 dxe3 18.Qe1 Nd4 19.Rd1 Qc7 20.Qxe3 Nxf5 21.Nxf5 Bxf5 22.Bxf7+ Kxf7 23.Ng5+ Bxg5 24.Rxf5+ Kg8 25.Qxg5 Re8 26.e6 g6 27.Rf7 1-0 Movsesian,S-Fridman,D/playchess INT 2005]

6.c4 0-0 7.Nc3 c6 8.Be3 Re8 9.Qd2 d5 10.cxd5 cxd5 11.Bb5! Bd7 12.e5 Bxb5 13.Ndxb5 a6 14.Nd4 Nfd7 15.f4 Nb6 16.b3! N8d7 17.0-0 Rc8 18.Nf5 Bb4 19.Bd4 Nc5 20.Qe3 Rc6 21.Rac1 Qc8 22.Nxg7 Kxg7 23.f5 h6 24.e6+ Kh7 25.Qe5 Rg8 26.exf7 Rg5 27.Qe7 1:0 Anand - Nisipeanu, Bundesliga 2004-05

I don't believe in Philidor's defence... sorry.

Bye all!

Hasta luego Fernando!!

  
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