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Re: Exchange Slav: 6. ...Nh5
Reply #2 - 08/09/04 at 19:12:26
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With the added bonus that I can transpose into the lines 6. ...e6 7. e3 Nh5 8. Bg5 Qb6 if black plays along. Thanks for the game & the idea, the resulting position(s) look preferable.
  
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Re: Exchange Slav: 6. ...Nh5
Reply #1 - 08/07/04 at 14:25:23
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    Hi, looking at your post, I think your  deefinately right that White doesn't have anything after 7. Bd2. I think a better try is 7. Bg5, when the critical position arrives after (1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Bf4 Nh5 Bg5) 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Nxg3 10. hxg3 Bg7 11. e3, when the position is very double edged. I'd have to give preference to White as he has the better minor pieces which are much better than Black's (temporary) queenside initiative. The game I pasted below shows how great White's minor pieces can be even though Black (and White) played far from perfectly.

[Event "Stadtcasino op 3rd"]
[Site "Baden"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Papa, Severin"]
[Black "Neyer, Renato"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D13"]
[BlackElo "2205"]
[PlyCount "79"]
[EventDate "1998.04.10"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1998.07.07"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bf4 Nh5 7. Bg5 h6 8.
Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Nxg3 10. hxg3 Bg7 11. e3 Qa5 12. Qb3 Qb4 13. Qc2 Bf5 14. Bd3 Bxd3
15. Qxd3 e6 16. O-O Rc8 17. Rab1 O-O 18. a3 Qe7 19. Rfc1 f5 20. b4 Bf6 21. Ne2
Qd7 22. Rc2 Ne7 23. Rbc1 Rxc2 24. Rxc2 Rc8 25. Nc1 Rxc2 26. Qxc2 Nc8 27. Nd3
Nb6 28. Nfe5 Qc8 29. Qxc8+ Nxc8 30. Nc5 b6 31. Nxe6 Nd6 32. Nc6 Nc4 33. Nxa7
Nxa3 34. Nc7 Be7 35. Nxd5 Kf7 36. Nxe7 Kxe7 37. Nc8+ Kd8 38. Nxb6 Kc7 39. Nd5+
Kd6 40. Nc3 1-0

  
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Exchange Slav: 6. ...Nh5
07/28/04 at 23:27:40
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Does anyone know the story on this line:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Bf4 Nh5.

NCO says 7. Bd2 Nf6 8. e3 +=, but I have some complaints.

I don't really see what white's advantage is here (small or not), because although you could argue that white has gained a tempo, you could also argue that black has succeeded in compelling white to play a more passive than usual setup. Which side's advantage is greater? Is there any proof (i.e. known, important games that black should improve upon)?  What was NCO's evaluation based on? To answer these questions, I went to NIC database online, and looked up the position.  The sample of games was small...30 games total for positions after 6. ...Nh5. White had a winning percentage of 40%, with 7 wins, 13 losses, and 10 draws. Not exactly what I was hoping for, so...

Next I decided to put the position into Fritz. After 8. e3, Fritz wants to play 8. ...Bf5 and claim equality. 9. Qb3 will be met by 9. ...Rb8, and black's general development seems to follow the pattern e6, Bd6, 0-0. During all this, Fritz' evaluations seem to teeter between equal and small black advantage.

Now, I'm only an 1880 player, and I've heard the following pieces of advice:
1) Don't trust database stats.
2) Don't always trust Fritz judgements
3) Don't trust book evaluations (check everything!)

So if I follow all this advice, I'm left with my original question, namely, does white have anything at all (and if so what) after 7. Bd2 Nf6 8. e3.

Thanks in advance,

Kevin
  
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