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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #11 - 01/04/05 at 11:55:35
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I submitted to the new world Champion Junior9 the "Bilguer Variation" 5 c3 Bd6 6 d4 Qf6 7 O-O Ne7,
I got: 8 Bg5 Qg6 9 Bxe7 Bxe7! 10 Nxe5 Nxe5 11 dxe5 O-O 12 Nd2 d6 13 exd6 Bxd6 14 Qe2 and BlacK are better , after Junior9 ( -0 , 83/19 )
  
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #10 - 01/03/05 at 15:04:01
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No sorry. In the game Nf6 was played.

Here it is:

[Event "Smartfish Chess Masters"]
[Site "Drammen, Norway"]
[Date "2005.01.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Lie(IM)"]
[Black "Stefanova(GM)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2474"]
[BlackElo "2523"]
[Opening "Evans gambit: Stone-Ware variation"]
[ECO "C51"]
[NIC "IG.05"]
[Time "07:35:23"]
[TimeControl "7200+0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Bd6 6. d4 Nf6 7. dxe5 Bxe5
8. Ng5 d5 9. exd5 Na5 10. Qa4+ c6 11. dxc6 O-O 12. Ba3 Nxc4 13. Qxc4 b5 14.
Qb3 Bf4 15. Bxf8 Qe8+ 16. Kf1 Bxg5 17. h4 Bh6 18. Bc5 Qxc6 19. Bd4 Ne4 20.
Qd1 Bb7 21. Rh2 Rd8 22. a3 Bf4 23. g3 Be5 24. Qe1 Bxd4 25. cxd4 Rxd4 26. f3
Nxg3+ 27. Kg1 Nh5 28. Nd2 h6 29. Rg2 Qf6 30. Rc1 Rxh4 31. Qe3 Nf4 32. Rg3
Rh1+ 33. Kxh1 Qh4+ 34. Kg1 Qxg3+ 35. Kf1 Qh3+ 36. Kf2 Qg2+ 37. Ke1 Qh1+ 38.
Kf2 Qxc1 39. Qxf4 Qc5+ 40. Ke2 Bd5 {Black wins} 0-1
  

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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #9 - 01/03/05 at 13:38:28
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Excuse me!
But I did not realize exactly what it means : if it was just 5 c3 Bd6 6 d4 Nf6(the usual move ) , it's mere chance , but if it's "my" variation 6 d4 Qf6 7 O-O Ne7 , then it means that women world champion is following this forum!
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #8 - 01/03/05 at 12:40:42
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Maybe you have the moves of this game? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #7 - 01/03/05 at 11:19:32
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I guess you are happy to see that this line was played in the game Lie-Stefanova today. (Drammen Smartfish tournament).
  

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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #6 - 12/08/04 at 21:13:08
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I've been playing the Evan's for about 18 months now and I've faced Bd6 once now, I was pairied against the same opponent a few months later at a different tournament as white so I decided to spend the half hour before the round having my hard working german friend (Fritz) look at some sharp variations with me.  My opponent didn't end up playing Bc5 (he wimped out with the Two Knights), but I'm happy to share my idea which is quite sharp.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4!? Bxb4 5. c3 Bd6!? 6. d4 Nf6 (Interesting to note a very dubious, but successful try of Qe7 at the US Championships Recently) 7. dxe5!? (the idea)  Bxe5 (7... Nxe5? 8. Nxe5  Bxe5 9. f4 drops a piece) 8.  Ng5 (note f4 is threatened again) d5 9. exd5 Na5 10. Qa4!? this position I cannot do better than evaluate it as unclear, there is a line where white wins an exchange by force, but it probably loses for white, anybody willing to do some serious analysis on ICC should message me there (same name) as I think this has potential to scare most black players away from Bd6 if this line is sound.
  
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #5 - 11/19/04 at 10:56:06
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so lines

1 e4 e5 2 nf3 nc6 3 bc4 bc5 4 b4 bxb4 5 c3 bd6 6 d4 nf6 probably best...

7 0 0 probably best or here i quite like this line
7 ng5 0 0 8 f4! exf4 9 e5 bxe5 10 dxe5 nxe5....

7 0 0 0 0 8 re1 h6 9 nbd2 re8 10 bd3 bf8 11 nxe5 nxe5 12 dxe5 rxe5 13 f4 re8 14 e5 nd5 15 qf3

Grin cos everyone seems to do it these days...
  
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #4 - 11/19/04 at 05:04:20
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Have looked at this recently in my club with a Bd6 player and there were two ideas...also see the excellent book from GM Rhodes

The main idea is that the bishop on d6 is to support the pawn on e5 which is ok at the beginning but black must castle and then the bishop is wrong. White can simply ignore the bishop there and play bd3 and start an attack on the king side aiming at h7.

Also there is the possibility of playing 7 Ng5 not castling and picking up the piece for pawns..I will try and post some moves later

  
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #3 - 10/13/04 at 14:33:14
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Erratum: in the text of the game Shredder8/Junior7 , therewere 2 mistakes : please read 25...Qa6(instead of Ra6) and 26 Bxd6 (in place of Rxd6)
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #2 - 10/13/04 at 09:09:29
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Hi Panda!
I had not yet time to analyze Bg5 after 7...Cge7 , because theris a tournament running on my computer , but fhere is an argument : Shredder8 is world champion of computers , and yet it does not play 8 Fg5 , but Ng5
(which leads nowhere) , so I deduced that this moe was not much to be feared
I did exactly as if it was a game Anand-Kasparov , or the converse : if a move is obvious , and K does not play it , there is surely a reason : I have no doubt that , when the tournament will be over , I can refute 8 Fg5
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Re: Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
Reply #1 - 10/13/04 at 08:24:30
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Howdy,

you don't say which knight goes to e7.

If it is Ng8-e7 then Junior7 plays like a GuerlyKomputer!  Grin


Solis Mendoza,M (1150) - Pacheco Silvestre,K (1521) [C51]
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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Bd6 6.d4 Qf6 7.0-0 Nge7 8.Bg5 Qg6 9.Bxe7 Nxe7 10.h4 h6 11.dxe5 Bc5 12.e6 fxe6 13.Ne5 Qf6 14.Qh5+ g6 15.Nxg6 Qxg6 16.Qxc5 Rg8 17.g3 Nc6 18.Nd2 b6 19.Qe3 Bb7 20.a4 0-0-0 21.Bd3 Ne5 22.Be2 h5 23.a5 Nc6 24.axb6 axb6 25.Ba6 e5 26.Qe2 Nb8 27.Bxb7+ Kxb7 28.Nc4 Qe6 29.Rfb1 Kc8 30.Ra8 Qc6 31.Rba1 d6 32.Nd2 Rdf8 33.Nf3 Qxc3 34.Ng5 Qc6 35.Qxh5 Qd7 36.Qe2 b5 37.Qa2 Qc6 38.Qe6+ Kb7 39.Qb3 Qc4 40.Qe3 Qc5 41.Qe2 Qc4 42.Qe3 Qc5 43.Qxc5 dxc5 44.Ne6 Re8 45.R8a7+ Kb6 46.Nxc7 Rc8 47.Nd5+ Kc6 48.Ne7+ 1-0

  
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Evans Gambit : an old variation revisited
10/13/04 at 06:37:19
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Hi to all! Roll Eyes
in Evans Gambit , usually one considers only 5...Ba5 , Bc5 , Be7 , and yet there is another move : 5...Bd6!?
This move looks odd , and generally it is held for unsound
But Pillsbury played it with success against Schiffers (Hastings 1895 )
I mention it because my Chess engine Junior7 chose it against Shredder8 , and won with a very unusual plan
Her is the game:
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc5 Bc5 4 b4 Bxb4 5 c3 Bd6!?
6 d4 Qf6 7 O-O Ne7 TN
(there only one game with this line : Hanstein Bilguer where was played 7...h6 )
8 Ng5 O-O 9 f4 exf4 10 Nf3 Ng6 11 e5 Ncxe5
12 dxe5 Nxe5 13 Nxe5 Bxe5 14 Qf3 d5 15 Bxd5 g5
16 Be4 Rd8 17 a4 Bf5 18 Bxf5 Qxf5 19 Qxb7 Rab8
20 Qxa7 Bd6 21 Ba3 Ra8 22 Qb7 Rxa4 23 Kh1 Rda8
24 Qb3 Qd3 25 Rd1 Qa6 26 Bxd6 Rxa1 27 Bxc7 Qc6
28 Bd6 h6 29 Bxf4 gxf4 30 Rg1 Ra2 31 h3 De4 32 c4 Re2 33 Qd1 Qe3 34 Qd8+ Kg7 35 Qc8 Re1 36 Qg4+ Kf8
37 Rxe1 Qxe1+ 38 Kh2 Qxb1 39 Qc8+ Kg7 40 Qg4+ Kh8
41 Qxf4 Qg1+    0-1
The plan "followed" by Junior7 is quite original : to keep a strongpoint , not in e5 , but in f4 what stops all white
attack on kingside ; curiously enough , it gives to the game a structure akin to a King's Gambit , classical defense
Notice that the opponent is quite respectable:Shredder8 is world champion of chess engines
Maybe you can crack this line ,but you will have to calculate beyond ply 17  8)
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