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Re: Meran System 8...Bd6
Reply #6 - 11/07/04 at 10:09:29
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13... Be7 is safer, but it is perhaps not as "principled" as 13... c5. The bishop retreat seems slow (didn't you just play the bishop to d6?) but probably equalises. Hardly a "chess advantage" for Black though! The final position of Jussupow-Zviagintsev is the sort of position I had in mind when i said Meran is boring. Usually when Black equalises the pawn structures get all symmetrical with two open (c- and d-) files. He'll have to rely on (much) better piece activity to get any edge on White. That is not easy to achieve.

Anyway, I believe these e4 plans to be most critical (exploiting the bishop's position) even though Kick Langeweg in the NIC yearbook doesn't think so.

Glenn's line of an even quicker e4 is interesting, though again it leads straight to an endgame. This endgame is not so symmetrical though... so there might still be some life left.

Here's a disclaimer though, i'm hardly a specialist here... gave up the meran from the black side long ago. Wink
  
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Re: Meran System 8...Bd6
Reply #5 - 11/07/04 at 09:00:27
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Another try with an early e4 that was suggested in Nigel Davies "tigerchess" group is (after1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 Bd6 9.0-0 0-0) 10.e4 e5 11.Kh1!? exd4 12.Nxd4 Ne5 13.Bc2 b4 14.Na4 c5 15.Ne2.  I suggested 15...Be7!? anticipationg f4 and e5 and threatening to exchange queens to stop any king-side attack.  If 16.f4, then 16...Nxd4 17.Rxd1 Nc6 18.Be3 Bg4 might be OK for Black.  There was no more discussion of the opening and now the tigerchess group only consists of posts by GM Davies (members were complaining about the excessive number of low quality posts).
  
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Re: Meran System 8...Bd6
Reply #4 - 11/07/04 at 07:01:38
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There is a more recent game given in the book I mentioned in my initial post.

Jussupow v Zvjaginsev (Essen 2002)

This varies with 13...Be7 and then 14.e5 Nd5 15.Ng3 c5 16.Qe2 N5b6(Qb6!?) 17.Be4 Bd5 18.Bxd5 Nxd5 19.Ne4 cxd4 20.Qd3 h6(Qb6!? 21.Neg5) 21.Rxc8 Qxc8 22.Rc1 Qb8 23.Qxd4 Qb6 24.Qc4 Qb8 25.Qd4 Qb6 26.Qc4 Qb8
Draw by repetition.
  
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Re: Meran System 8...Bd6
Reply #3 - 11/07/04 at 03:59:18
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Here's the quick e4 plan that made me lose my appetite for 8... Bd6.

Although White lost, he had a nice position out of the opening. Zviagintsev gives "16. dc5! Nc5 17. Bb4 +-" in yearbook 62 as an improvement for White.

Isn't it always more natural to get the queenside army moving quickly in the Meran? The main moves 8... a6 and 8... Bb7 seem more logical than the (loose-looking?) 8... Bd6.

[Event "Tilburg Fontys"]
[Site "Tilburg"]
[Date "1998.10.23"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Lautier,Joel"]
[Black "Zvjaginsev,Vadim"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "D47"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 Bd6
9.0-0 0-0 10.Bd2 Bb7 11.Rc1 Rc8 12.Ne2 b4 13.e4 c5 14.e5 Bxf3 15.exd6 Bd5 16.Ba6 Rb8
17.dxc5 Qa5 18.Bd3 Nxc5 19.Bc4 Nce4 20.a3 Nxd2 21.Qxd2 Qd8 22.Bxd5 Qxd6 23.Qd4 Nxd5 24.Qxa7 Ra8
25.Qc5 Qxc5 26.Rxc5 bxa3 27.bxa3 Rxa3 28.Rfc1 g6 29.Nc3 Nf4 30.Rc7 e5 31.Re1 Rfa8 32.g3 Ra1
33.Kf1 Rxe1+ 34.Kxe1 Ra1+ 35.Kd2 Ne6 36.Rb7 g5 37.Ne4 Ra4 38.Nc3 Ra1 39.Ne4 Ra4 40.Nc3 Ra6
41.Rb5 Nd4 42.Rd5 g4 43.Ke3 Re6 44.Nb5 Nf5+ 45.Ke4 Ne7 46.Rd7 f5+ 47.Ke3 Kf7 48.Nd6+ Kg6
49.Kd3 Ng8 50.Rd8 Nf6 51.Ke3 Re7 52.Rf8 Rd7 53.Nc4 f4+ 54.Ke2 f3+ 55.Ke3 Kg7 56.Ra8 Rd4
57.Ra7+ Kh6 58.Nb6 Rb4 59.Ra6 Kg5 0-1

I personally play the nimzo. Never goes out of style.  Wink
  
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Re: Meran System 8...Bd6
Reply #2 - 11/05/04 at 23:41:42
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Is there really any line for White that offers more than a normal opening advantage for White?  Could you be more specific about which early e4 variation White should play?
  
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Re: Meran System 8...Bd6
Reply #1 - 11/05/04 at 20:19:22
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There is a survey on this line in New in Chess yearbook 62.

This move briefly interested me but after some analysis on Lautier-Zviagintsev (1998) and Avrukh-Morovic (2000)  I dont like the position for Black. A quick e4 by White puts Black under some pressure. I don't believe in the lines where Black sacs material to rupture White's kingside (by .. Bxf3).

There must be a reason why top GMs prefer 8... Bb7 and 8... a6!

Anyway, there isn't so much independent value in 8... Bd6 as many games transpose to a familiar position from the 6. Qc2 line: compare 8... Bd6 9. Qc2 Bb7 10. 0-0 0-0 with 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. Be2 0-0 8. 0-0 dc4 9. Bc4 b5 10. Bd3 Bb7.

One reason why I stopped playing the meran (as well as the whole semislav) is that if White wants to be boring in the Meran Black can't create much winning chances. I wanted to buy Kaufman's book because he seemed to promise new life in the semi-slav, but after browsing through it at the book store there doesn't seem much new.  

Furthermore Kaufman's coverage of the 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 (!!!!)  Grin line that I myself play for White is extremely skimpy for such a theoretically important variation.
  
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Meran System 8...Bd6
11/05/04 at 19:10:53
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What do people think of 8...Bd6 in the Meran:

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 Bd6

I can find no mention of this in Ruslan's ebooks. However this line is recommended in the new book 'The Chess advantage in Black and White' by Larry Kaufman
  
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