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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #13 - 11/22/04 at 03:06:53
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I'm sorry but your argument is not totally correct.  Though Kasparov as Black had a preference to the system you mention, there are some important games in which he adopted the poisoned pawn:

Nunn - Kasparov 0-1 Bruxelles 1986
Ivanchuk - Kasparov 0-1 Linares 1990
Short - Kasparov 0-1 London PCA Wch match 1993
Short - Kasparov 0.5 Novgorod 1995
Short - Kasparov 0.5  Riga 1995
Topalov - Kasparov 0.5Novgorod 1997
Leko - Kasparov 0.5 Linares 2001

.........and with excelent score I dare say:
+3 =4 -0
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #12 - 11/21/04 at 22:01:33
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You guys might find it interesting to know, that Kasparov never played the Poisoned Pawn as Black, but preferred a setup with an early Qc7 and b5.
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #11 - 11/21/04 at 17:52:29
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The Poisoned Pawn is not just grabbing a pawn and defending.  I would rather consider it a counter attack! However you're right when you consoider it very, very theoretical: it is!
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #10 - 11/20/04 at 10:45:03
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By the way isn't the poisoned pawn variation really really really theoretical? I prefer to avoid such theoretical cutting edge openings and just play some decent lines with less theory....
  
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Reply #9 - 11/20/04 at 10:24:13
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It's not my style to just go pawn grabbing and then defending against a strong initiative. Qa5 is good enough in my opinion...
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #8 - 11/20/04 at 03:27:59
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As a matter of fact I don't understand why looking for alternative variations after 6.Bg5 when Black has at his disposal the Poisoned Pawn Variation which is feared by a lot of White players.  Some of them accurately avoid playing 6.Bg5 just for this reason.
  
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The move King leaves out is Bc4 after Qa5 :-)
Reply #7 - 11/19/04 at 12:48:27
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Which should be better for White.
  
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Reply #6 - 11/19/04 at 11:09:12
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Thanks a lot! It's nice to see that white doesn't really accomplish much...

Now what about the Danner variation with 8... Qa5 in the 6.Bg5 variation? I've had some very good results with this, but no one played in the center the way they should (at least, that's what i think). Anyone has some experience with this?
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #5 - 11/19/04 at 03:20:52
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Well in Leko-Vallejo it was played 11...Na6 which seems to be the 2004 fashion (without success for Black however)

In my games 11.Nc6 was played.  The matter is that apparently Black is in a very restricted situation and his pieces risk to obstacle each other.  However if he succeeds to open play at west he will have a terrific attack aginst White King.

Here are the moves of my games as requested by Joris Pelemans:

[Event "EM-M-150 e-mail"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2001"]
[White "Schmidt, Theo"]
[Black "Costa, Francesco"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B90"]
[WhiteElo "2149"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[WhiteCountry "GER"]
[BlackCountry "ITA"]


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e5 7. Nb3 Be6 8. f3 Be7 9. Qd2 O-O 10. O-O-O a5 11. Bb5 Nc6 12. Kb1 Qb8 13. Nd5 Bxd5 14. exd5 Nb4
15. c4 Rc8 16. g4 Ne8 17. a3 Na6 18. Nxa5 Nac7 19. Bd7 Rd8 20. Bf5 Ra6 21. Bc2 Qa8 22. Nb3 Rb8 23. g5 b5 24. c5 b4 25. axb4 Ra4 26. Qd3 g6 27. h4 Na6 28. h5
Nxb4 29. Qc4 Nxc2 30. Qxc2 Rab4 31. hxg6 fxg6 32. Rxh7 Kxh7 33. Rh1+ Kg7 34.Rh6 e4 35. Qc3+ Nf6 36. Bd4 Rxd4 37. Nxd4 Qxd5 38. cxd6 Qxd6 39. gxf6+ Kxh6 40.Qe3+ Kh7 41. fxe7 Re8 42. fxe4 Rxe7 43. Nf3 Qd1+ 44. Ka2 Qa4+ 45. Kb1 Ra7 46.Qd4 Qxd4 47. Nxd4 g5 48. Kc2 g4 49. Nf5 Kg6 50. Ng3 Kf6 51. Kd3 Ke5 52. Nf1 Rf7 0-1

Honestly I had some headache at the beginning but I suppose my opponent too!  As a matter of fact Mr Schmidt avoided to play 6.Be3 (he played 6.Bg5 instead)when we met again in 2003. 


[Event "EM-M-264"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2004"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Binas, Jindrich "]
[Black "Costa, Francesco"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteELO "2043"]
[BlackELO "2271"]
[WhiteCountry "CZE"]
[BlackCountry "ITA"]
 
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.Qd2 Be7 9.f3 O-O 10.O-O-O a5 11.Bb5 Nc6 12.Kb1 Qb8 13.g4 Ne8 14.Na4 Nc7 15.Qe2 Nxb5 16.Qxb5 Ra6 17.Nc3 Rc8 18.Nd5 a4 19.Nc1 Bxd5 20.exd5 Na5 21.b3 Qc7 22.c4 axb3 23.axb3 Rca8 24.Kc2 Qd8 25.Qb4 Bg5 26.Qc3 Bxe3 27.Qxe3 Rc8 0-1

Here I really had no problems.
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #4 - 11/19/04 at 00:50:29
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Leko - Vallejo was only 17 moves and Vallejo didn't really play it actively (neither did Leko actually...) By the way, if I can draw with black against Leko in 17 moves I'll be a happy man Wink.

The point of a5 is attacking the knight on b3 and opening line to the white king, which is a very interesting idea. If white plays Bb5, black can prepare a pawn sacrifice on a4 followed by b5... Because these pawns almost have to be taken, I feel the black attack is fastest most of the time.

By the way I wouldn't say it loses a tempo; the situation has changed dramatically between 5... a6 and 10... a5 and I'm sure white wouldn't have played exactly the same moves if black had played 5... a5 Smiley.
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #3 - 11/18/04 at 20:30:44
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Leko-Vallejo Linares 04 went 10...a5, and eventually drawn. It didn't seem Black has much attack. 

Ceding the b5 square, and losing a tempo with the a-pawn looks suspicious but i'm sure there's some point to it.... only that I don't know what!  ???
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #2 - 11/18/04 at 12:26:13
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Well, that's what i thought too! Strange it isn't played more at GM level... Could you post or mail me the games, cause I'm really interested!
  
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Re: Inferior Najdorf variations?
Reply #1 - 11/18/04 at 10:44:32
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I had the opportunity to recently play the 10..a5 11.Bb5 variation twice in correspondance chess games with an excellent score: two black Wins!!
After 11...Nc6 12.Kb1 Qb8 
White played 13.g4 in one game and 13.Nd5 in the other. 

Of course something has changed since the moves recommended by Danny King but if Black is enough aggressive, the variation seems to be a good weapon in Black's hands.   


  
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Inferior Najdorf variations?
11/18/04 at 10:09:56
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Hi,

I've been playing the Najdorf with black for many years now, mainly based on King's book Winning with the Najdorf.  This is a great book for a basic understanding of the Najdorf, but since it's getting a bit old I wonder whether some of his recommendations have been refuted.

Against the 6.Bg5 variation I play the idea of Danner: 6...e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 Qa5!? with which online I score pretty high. Nobody seems to know this system very well. It is however never seen at GM level, so there must be something wrong with it... I guess white has to launch an attack in the centre, perhaps immediately with 9. 0-0-0 Bd7 10. Nb3 Qc7 11.e5!? What does the latest theory say about this variation? To me it seems black is doing fine...

Nowadays the English attack seems to be in fashion and most games go 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.f3 Be6 9.Qd2 0-0 10. 0-0-0 b5, but King recommends 10... a5!? which I find very interesting... Probably best is 11.Bb5, but even in this variation I find that black can create good counterplay.  Am i missing some crazy new sacrifice?

Hope to learn more about this wonderful opening....

Joris
  
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