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Re: Kalashnikov: early f5 in all variations?
Reply #6 - 12/19/04 at 03:44:46
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slight edge for white?? not sure... Undecided
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 e5
5. Nb5 d6
6. N1c3 a6
7. Na3 f5
8. exf5 Bxf5
9. Nc4 Nf6
10. Bg5 Nd4
11. Bd3 Be6
12. 0-0 Be7
13. f4 !

  
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Re: Kalashnikov: early f5 in all variations?
Reply #5 - 12/14/04 at 07:03:53
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Why you are so sure it is unsound?
To offend the common rules of a sound setup, thats what the Sweschnikow/Kalaschnikow is always for.... Grin
  
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Re: Kalashnikov: early f5 in all variations?
Reply #4 - 12/12/04 at 05:11:17
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A look at the very few games in Chessbase 8 shows that black lost in all cases due to more or the less big blunders.

But it might be playable:
1. e4 c5, 2. Nf3 Nc6, 3. d4 cxd4, 4. Nxd4 e5, 5. Nb5 d6, 6. N1c3 a6, 7. Na3 f5... - I think best for White is 8.exf5 Bxf5, 9. Nc4 and further on attacking the black pawn island with f4)

At least FRITZ has no problem with it 8)
  
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Re: Kalashnikov: early f5 in all variations?
Reply #3 - 12/11/04 at 16:54:21
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@Ed Gaillard

you are for sure right.
But I think the consequences are different. I dont know the Sheshnikov well but there seems the "quite" move c3 to be more common (then c4) - c3 dont hinders Black from the kingside-attack.

But if you play in the 6.N1c3-Kalashnikov b5 then there follows usually (after Nd5) c4 and this is the start of several queenside-complications.
  
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Re: Kalashnikov: early f5 in all variations?
Reply #2 - 12/11/04 at 15:53:51
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Isn't it because otherwise White gets to play Nc4 and later Ne3, clamping the g5-square?  Similar to the reason that ...b5 is the main line of the Sveshnikov instead of the older lines with ...Be6.
  
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Re: Kalashnikov: early f5 in all variations?
Reply #1 - 12/11/04 at 13:46:22
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or, with other words: why it should be in the 6.N1c3-Kalashnikov a must to play 7.... b5 ?
  
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Kalashnikov: early f5 in all variations?
12/11/04 at 08:05:42
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I am a Kalashnikov-fan and would never change my pet Kalashnikov to the more common Sheshnikov.

The Kalashnikov-theory prefers the 6. c4.
But when I play it on ICC (my level OTB around 1850 Elo, on ICC about 2000) most players prefer the more natural 6. N1c3.

On the c4-variation an early black f5 is not uncommon.

But on the 6. N1c3-variation there is in 95 % of games the usual very tactical and sharp showdown on the queenside. Not with me - I am a kingside-guy, I prefer the very unusual 6. N1c3 a6, 7. Na3 Be7 ?! or 7.... Be6 ?! and then go for the kingside.

My question: did ever somebody of you try 6. N1c3 a6, 7. Na3 f5 ?!

On Chessbase there are just some few games.

What you think about this crazy  and aggressive variation? It looks unsound because the black position is too open, too underdevelopped. But e.g. Leonid Sobolovksy (2255 Elo) played it twice.
  
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