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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #47 - 09/07/05 at 18:48:36
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I think the Latvian and its hybrids are mostly played for fun rather than to play the very best game.  It works as a surprise, as I said earlier, but I wouldn't want to rely on it.
  
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Reply #46 - 09/07/05 at 12:19:16
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3.exf5, 3.d4 and 3.Bc4 are hardly worse. Jeremy Silman on his site got a letter on the Latvian Gambit. The conclusion was, that it's Black's goal to prove, that White cannot win the resulting endings despite of his extra pawn. That means, that the Latvian is not fit for an aggressive player, but only for a masochist.
  

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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #45 - 09/07/05 at 10:59:41
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I think there is some confusion here - the thread started off talking about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 f5?! and then a reference to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5?! (our old friend the Latvian Gambit) snuck in.

I won't comment on the "Italian-Latvian" hybrid, but I am firmly convinced that the simple 3.Nxe5 is +/- (albeit maybe not quite +-) against the Latvian.
  

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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #44 - 09/07/05 at 10:23:05
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Well,

This particular master does indeed have an interesting sense of humour, and he did win the game but just to be clear, Markovich, I did point out that White's second move wasn't Bc4, but Nf3.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #43 - 09/06/05 at 13:38:05
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In answer to that question, I saw a master play the Black side of 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 and White spent more than half an hour (of his 2 hours in 40 moves) on his response.  Is a pawn worth half an hour in standard?  It would sure be worth a minute in blitz!


A realistic chance that anyone would play this would be enough to make me play 1. e4 against them.  This system is a joke.  The bishop is already on c4, and ...f5 is played?
  

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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #42 - 09/05/05 at 03:07:38
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In answer to that question, I saw a master play the Black side of 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 and White spent more than half an hour (of his 2 hours in 40 moves) on his response.  Is a pawn worth half an hour in standard?  It would sure be worth a minute in blitz!
  
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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #41 - 08/31/05 at 13:56:29
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The line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 f5!? is showing up in serious games again after an hiatus of about a century.  Maybe just playing 2...f5 will be seen as an improvement! Wink


Well, how serious can such a game be?
  

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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #40 - 08/30/05 at 01:36:20
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Basqueknight,

The line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 f5!? is showing up in serious games again after an hiatus of about a century.  Maybe just playing 2...f5 will be seen as an improvement! Wink
  
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Reply #39 - 08/29/05 at 23:44:34
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he could just play e5 e5 nf3 f5 with a fun game
  
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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #38 - 08/23/05 at 16:45:02
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I think you can't identify Black play in open Sicilians and in open games: they are not the same players
It's true that I am an exclusive  correspondance player , and it may change a lot of things
As for me I am a typical e4e5 player , and I scored as much with Black as with white in open games
Yet my tries with Black in Sicilian were unsuccessful , although I score well with White eg in the Najdorf
So , if your fellow is a true Sicilian player , he ought not turn to open games
If he were an open games player , he would have discovered it by himself as I did
  
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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #37 - 08/23/05 at 00:41:33
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Well I was clever enough to come up with the alias, not clever enough to look up how to spell it.   Grin

I learned later  it was originally it mxyztplk and in 1959 it accidently (typo) became mxyzptlk.  Isn't the internet wonderful?  Nothing is too trivial that you can't find information on it (well close).   Smiley
  
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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #36 - 08/22/05 at 13:11:05
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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #35 - 08/22/05 at 08:04:05
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I agree with the general consensus that one should be cautious about changing your repertoire without an extremely good reason.  However, it seems inefficient to me to play a sharp Sicililian line if your opponents don't play the open Sicilian very often.  I would define efficiency in studying chess as rating points gained divided by time studied.  The advantage of 1...e5 is your time spent on sharper lines like the King's Gambit, the Italian, etc. tend to be used at least if your opponents are like mine I rarely play anyone higher than about 2100.


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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #34 - 08/21/05 at 22:16:17
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I agree with the general consensus that one should be cautious about changing your repertoire without an extremely good reason.  However, it seems inefficient to me to play a sharp Sicililian line if your opponents don't play the open Sicilian very often.  I would define efficiency in studying chess as rating points gained divided by time studied.  The advantage of 1...e5 is your time spent on sharper lines like the King's Gambit, the Italian, etc. tend to be used at least if your opponents are like mine I rarely play anyone higher than about 2100.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire e4 e5 for an aggressive pla
Reply #33 - 12/16/04 at 18:40:34
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<there is a lot of imitation of GMs in the opening choices of lower-level players>
I doubt it. Many lower-level players hardly study openings, so how can they imitate?
<how complicated some of them are. > This is a good reason to play 1...e5 as Black, because complicated positions generally offer more winning chances than simple ones.
<I don't think these openings are so passive> Of course they are not, Black should not be worse. But I understood that D-K's friend was looking for possibilities for aggressive play, and in the Open Games I mentioned that is quite hard to achieve.
<White that scores above 60 %>
In my favourite defense, the Iljin-Zjenevsky, there are several lines in which White scores even better and still I think they should be playable for Black. But at the other hand IZ is hardly played on top level.
Another one: on top GM-level the King's Gambit scores considerably better than the Petrov. Must this lead to the conclusion, that 2.f4 is better than 2.Nf3? I can already hear the protests of TopNotch and others!
The Sicilian is good, because it is based on sound strategy and the asymmetrical pawn structures lead to imbalanced play.
  

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