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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #12 - 01/05/05 at 19:54:33
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Not many Sicilian players like to play a kind of French Tarrasch and a regular French Advance.
  

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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #11 - 01/05/05 at 16:56:22
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2..d5, 3.exd5 Nf6 is perfectly playable, but what if 2.Nf3 and 3.c3 ? So you have to study the drawish ..Qxd5!? A good idea against the c3 Sicilian is (guest what?) ..e6 and ..d5, But white can transpose to an advanced french which is perfect option that serves Black for Black! (visit the French forum for details!).
The most common is exd5 exd5 with black playing an active position at the cost of the isolated pawn.
  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #10 - 01/01/05 at 06:24:34
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Another idea: wondering if ever somebody with the black pieces has tried 2..d5 in the Alapin and then 0-0-0 ?
  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #9 - 12/31/04 at 12:02:44
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@Mnb

2...d6 indeed lead to nice positions. But I dont like that with 3.Nf3 White can transpose somewhere completely else.
  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #8 - 12/30/04 at 06:52:03
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@D-K: I assume you meant (1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3.exd5 Nf6) 4.d4 cxd4(not 4...dxc4)?

I don't see how you can like Black in the first line you give - White just has oodles of extra space, easy development and excellent potential for pressure down the e-file and/or on the kingside when black castles (if he makes it that far).  If White had gambited a pawn for this, I would think he had excellent compensation.  As it is, I think +/- is not an unreasonable assessment.

So, I think Black should try to avoid this.  Can he get away with playing (4.d4) 4...Nxd5?  Or can White play 5.dxc5 and play to keep the extra pawn?
  

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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #7 - 12/30/04 at 06:32:09
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I think that 4.d4 dxc4 is nice for black.
5. Bb5+ Bd7, 6. Bc4 dxc3, 7.Nxc3 and I like black.
5. Qa4+ Nbd7, 6. Qxa4 Nb6 is also OK.
5. cxd4 Nxd5
  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #6 - 12/29/04 at 21:02:28
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As I assume that DK has started this thread, because he needs an interesting way to meet 2.c3, my suggestion is d6 3.d4 Nf6. It is not objectively better than 2...d5 or 2...Nf6, but gives Black more chances to take over the initiative.
  

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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #5 - 12/29/04 at 17:44:58
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4.d4 is critical for black
4...Nxd5? dxc5 +/- not enough compensation for black
4....cxd4 5.Lb5+/-

I think black must transpose with 4...Qxd5

  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #4 - 12/29/04 at 09:30:48
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Thanks for you suggestion.
If 4.Nf3 then I take with the knight instead of the Queen and Black scores very well in this variation.
  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #3 - 12/29/04 at 07:10:46
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no sorry of course 4.Nf3 but you don't want to transpose with Qxd5 ,which I played, instead I suppose you want to take with the knight?
  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #2 - 12/29/04 at 04:28:27
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If you mean really 3.Nf3 (after 2.c3 d5) then this move is so unlikely to happen that it nearly dont needs to be considered. The Megabase has 14.400 games with 2.c3 d5 and 3.Nf3 follows in about 20. I played the Sicilian the last years and faced of course also several Alapin-Sicilians. Never White answered something else then 3.exd5.
  
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Re: Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
Reply #1 - 12/28/04 at 17:47:29
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I think it's playable but not better than Qxd5 because White can transpose to the mainline with 3. Nf3.

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Alapin: 2...d5, exd5 Nf6 playable?
12/28/04 at 12:53:01
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What you think: is 2..d5, 3.exd5 Nf6 in the Alapin playable?
My database shows 177 games with a good score for black.
Any opinions welcome!
  
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