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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #48 - 08/15/09 at 08:06:59
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Paul Cumbers wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:21:49:
So is 19...Na4! the move that Wang Hao had prepared against Sutovsky? Your analysis certainly indicates that Black is OK here. It might be slightly drawish, but you can't have everything I suppose! I reckon this line with 10...h5 could be Black's best against 6.Be3.


It磗 interesting that an expert like Moskalenko felt the same way about 10...h5 and included only one game on the 6.Be3 - variation in his book- with 10....h5 as black磗 choice. The Sutovsky - Wang Hao - game was not played when he wrote the book, but the general assessment of a french expert - maybe backed up by more analysis than published in his book - should not be overlooked.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #47 - 08/14/09 at 12:21:49
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derdudea wrote on 08/10/09 at 21:49:12:
After checking my earlier analysis I磎 much more confident about Black磗 chances since he should play 19...Na4 instead of Nd5, leading to very complicated play.

15.Qxg5 Qxg5 16.Bxg5 Nxe5 17.Bf6!? Nxd3+ 18.cxd3 Rg8 19.Bxd4 Na4 and now:

20.Nf3 Bd7 21.Rb1 Bc6 22.Ne5 Bxg2 23.Rg1 0𢠢 24.Rb4 f6 25.Rxa4 fxe5 26.Bxe5 Rxd3 27.Rxa7 Rg4
20.g3 Bd7 21.Ne2 Bc6 22.0-0 0-0-0
20.Ne2 Bd7 21.Rg1 Bc6 22.Nf4 Rg4 with very unclear play

Looks like Black has enough counterplay and opposite coloured bishops to secure a draw.

Even if Black is OK in the 10...h5 lines McDonalds repertoire choice is very reasonable for OTB play on club level looking at the extremely sharp and complicated lines here.

Wow!

Knights on the border will help to bring order!
Knights on the side will (a) give you much pride, (b) surely provide!

Who'd have believed that the knight on a4 would be well-placed even with White's bishop on d4? But the knight pressurises the pawn on c5, and leaves the d-file clear for when a rook comes to d8. White can't maintain his bishop on d4 anyway, so the knight is only stranded temporarily.

So is 19...Na4! the move that Wang Hao had prepared against Sutovsky? Your analysis certainly indicates that Black is OK here. It might be slightly drawish, but you can't have everything I suppose! I reckon this line with 10...h5 could be Black's best against 6.Be3.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #46 - 08/10/09 at 21:49:12
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After checking my earlier analysis I磎 much more confident about Black磗 chances since he should play 19...Na4 instead of Nd5, leading to very complicated play.

15.Qxg5 Qxg5 16.Bxg5 Nxe5 17.Bf6!? Nxd3+ 18.cxd3 Rg8 19.Bxd4 Na4 and now:

20.Nf3 Bd7 21.Rb1 Bc6 22.Ne5 Bxg2 23.Rg1 0𢠢 24.Rb4 f6 25.Rxa4 fxe5 26.Bxe5 Rxd3 27.Rxa7 Rg4
20.g3 Bd7 21.Ne2 Bc6 22.0-0 0-0-0
20.Ne2 Bd7 21.Rg1 Bc6 22.Nf4 Rg4 with very unclear play

Looks like Black has enough counterplay and opposite coloured bishops to secure a draw.

Even if Black is OK in the 10...h5 lines McDonalds repertoire choice is very reasonable for OTB play on club level looking at the extremely sharp and complicated lines here.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #45 - 08/10/09 at 19:30:38
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derdudea wrote on 08/10/09 at 18:33:43:
Paul Cumbers wrote on 08/10/09 at 12:56:54:


What I'm trying to figure out is why Sutovsky didn't play the obvious 17.Bf6!. I wonder what Wang Hao had prepared against this... As far as I can work out, after 17.Bf6 Nxd3+ 18.cxd3 Rg8 19.Bxd4 Nd5 20.g3! (20.Nf3 Rxg2 would transpose to the game), White just seems to be a pawn up for not much! Any suggestions?



I really like this question since I ask myself the same since the Chesspub analysis came out. I would like an answer even more.
If White can play 17.Bf6!, the whole 10...h5 might stink, since there are no promising earlier exits in the game. Rybka likes 15....Nd5, but after 16.Qe4 Qe7 17.Nf3 Nxe5 18.0-0 Black must play 0-0 sooner or later and should suffer for the weak dark squares. Maybe 13...g5 works?!

If Neil McDonald was convinced this fascinating high level game was 爐he perfect answer for Black in the 6.Be3 McCutcheon, he would have chosen it for his recent repertoire book on the French and not the (in comparison) obscure game Ubiennykh (2289) - Grazubova (2379), 2008, which continued with another rare line: 9.bxc3 Nxc3 10.Bd3 Nc6 11.h4 Bd7!?
A rare line, but one in which Black can still castle queenside.


It might be useful to know that Grabuzova was a pupil of Mikhail Shereshevsky, who is, or at least was, a great expert in the Mac.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #44 - 08/10/09 at 18:33:43
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Paul Cumbers wrote on 08/10/09 at 12:56:54:


What I'm trying to figure out is why Sutovsky didn't play the obvious 17.Bf6!. I wonder what Wang Hao had prepared against this... As far as I can work out, after 17.Bf6 Nxd3+ 18.cxd3 Rg8 19.Bxd4 Nd5 20.g3! (20.Nf3 Rxg2 would transpose to the game), White just seems to be a pawn up for not much! Any suggestions?



I really like this question since I ask myself the same since the Chesspub analysis came out. I would like an answer even more.
If White can play 17.Bf6!, the whole 10...h5 might stink, since there are no promising earlier exits in the game. Rybka likes 15....Nd5, but after 16.Qe4 Qe7 17.Nf3 Nxe5 18.0-0 Black must play 0-0 sooner or later and should suffer for the weak dark squares. Maybe 13...g5 works?!

If Neil McDonald was convinced this fascinating high level game was 爐he perfect answer for Black in the 6.Be3 McCutcheon, he would have chosen it for his recent repertoire book on the French and not the (in comparison) obscure game Ubiennykh (2289) - Grazubova (2379), 2008, which continued with another rare line: 9.bxc3 Nxc3 10.Bd3 Nc6 11.h4 Bd7!?
A rare line, but one in which Black can still castle queenside.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #43 - 08/10/09 at 12:56:54
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Here's a fascinating attempt by Black to combat 6.Be3 (this game was analysed by Neil McDonald in the August 2008 French update):

Sutovsky v Wang Hao, RUS 2008
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Be3 Ne4 7.Qg4 g6 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.bxc3 c5 10.Bd3 h5 11.Qf3 Nxc3 12.dxc5 Nc6 13.Qf4 d4 14.Bd2 g5 15.Qxg5 Qxg5 16.Bxg5 Nxe5 17.Nf3 Rg8 18.Bf6 Nxd3+ 19.cxd3 Nd5 20.Bxd4 Rxg2 21.Be5 Rg4 22.h3 Ra4 23.Rg1 f6 24.Bb2 Kf7 25.d4 b6 26.cxb6 Nxb6 27.Nd2 Rb8 28.Rg3 Nd5 29.Rb3 Rxb3 30.Nxb3 Ra6 31.Nc5 Rb6 32.Bc1 h4 33.Bd2 e5 34.dxe5 Bxh3 35.Nd3 Bg2 36.Nf4 h3 37.Nxd5 h2 38.Ke2 Bxd5 39.f3 Rb3 40.Be3 f5 0-1

What I'm trying to figure out is why Sutovsky didn't play the obvious 17.Bf6!. I wonder what Wang Hao had prepared against this... As far as I can work out, after 17.Bf6 Nxd3+ 18.cxd3 Rg8 19.Bxd4 Nd5 20.g3! (20.Nf3 Rxg2 would transpose to the game), White just seems to be a pawn up for not much! Any suggestions?
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #42 - 06/30/06 at 15:05:00
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I hope that this game will be interesting to Mac Cutechon players:

sunshine (S. Ganguly) - Smallville (H. Nakamura) ICC 24.03.2006 4.1 blitz

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 g5 8. h4 h5 9. hg5 hg4 10. Rh8+ Bf8 11. Ne4 de4 12. Ne2 Kd7 13. 000 c6 14. Ng3 Qe7 15. Ne4 Kc7 16. Rh7 Nd7 17. g6 Qe8 18. Rf7 Be7 19. Nf6 Bf6 20. ef6 Qg8 21. Bf4+ Kb6 22. Bd3 Nf6 23. Bc7x 1-0
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #41 - 06/03/06 at 21:09:57
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Not so quick. You can follow my example and chose the Classical classical instead: 4...Be7. I like the variation 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.f4/7.Qd2 a6.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #40 - 06/03/06 at 02:20:17
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I can`t seem to find anything quickly. Be3 does look good. Frankly, after playing the French for over 10 years I am growing a bit tired of compromising my king-position with g6 or Kf8 or g5  in so many games. I need to take up the Sicilian as a secondary defence.
  
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Reply #39 - 06/01/06 at 18:18:37
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Yes, hmm. I see I shouldn`t even have suggested Nd7 in the first place. To me Qg4 g5 then looks like black`s most interesting option. I`ll have a closer look at it and tell you my conclusions when they are ready.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #38 - 05/31/06 at 04:05:42
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I With 7...g6: White has 11.Bxg6!
II With 7...Kf8: Black's cramped position compensates the pawn. White may continue with 11.Nf3 and 12.o-o or more ambitious with 11.h4 and 12.Rh3.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #37 - 05/30/06 at 21:47:33
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Hmm, why has 10...Nd7 never been tried?
  
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Reply #36 - 05/13/06 at 01:40:43
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[quote author=MNb link=1104416123/30#35 date=1147232592]I have given up the MacCutcheon, as White's play appeals more to me. I don't see the point of 13.f3 in the Memers/Amonatov line. Anything wrong with 13.f4 ? My quick analysis runs Nf5 14.Bd2 Ne4 15.fxg5 hxg5 16.Bxe4 dxe4 17.Qxg5 Qxg5 18.Bxg5 Nxd4 19.o-o-o c5 20.Bf6 Rh6 21.c3 Nc6 22.g4 and I prefer White, despite of the opposite coloured bishops.
Good old hacker Klovans played 13.Nf3 Bd7 (c5!?) 14.Nxg5 against Shereshevski in the Sokolsky Mem 1978. I am not sure what to make of that. All in all White has many interesting attacking chances.[/quote]

Hi MNB,
Your above analysis looks OK. But, better is 15.fxg5 Nxd2 16.Kxd2 Qxg5+ 17.Qxg5 hxg5 and White has initiative for the pawn, but not enough to win.

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Reply #35 - 05/10/06 at 03:43:12
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I have given up the MacCutcheon, as White's play appeals more to me. I don't see the point of 13.f3 in the Memers/Amonatov line. Anything wrong with 13.f4 ? My quick analysis runs Nf5 14.Bd2 Ne4 15.fxg5 hxg5 16.Bxe4 dxe4 17.Qxg5 Qxg5 18.Bxg5 Nxd4 19.o-o-o c5 20.Bf6 Rh6 21.c3 Nc6 22.g4 and I prefer White, despite of the opposite coloured bishops.
Good old hacker Klovans played 13.Nf3 Bd7 (c5!?) 14.Nxg5 against Shereshevski in the Sokolsky Mem 1978. I am not sure what to make of that. All in all White has many interesting attacking chances.
  
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Re: 6. Be3 MacCutcheon
Reply #34 - 05/09/06 at 04:17:36
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Hello Memers, thanks for good analysis, actually also same as GM Amonatov's suggestion in informator. but line with 15.Bd2 f5 16.exf6 Qxf6 16.Bg6+looks rather precarious to me though.. but playable with good preparation.
  
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