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Re: Orthodox defence
Reply #7 - 04/06/05 at 21:13:45
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Taimanov is his 1980 book Damengambit bis Holländisch recommends 12.o-o c5 13.a4 b4 (bxa4 14.Nxa4 15.Nxa4 Bb7 16.Bg3) 14.Ne4 cxd4 15.Bg3!
  
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Re: Orthodox defence
Reply #6 - 04/06/05 at 12:40:40
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I really likes the orthodox defenses to the QGD, I think they are much easier
to play than the difficult Tartakover. Few players below 2200 ELO can handle the black side of the Tartakover without screwing things up and get positionally busted before move 20. On the other hand even a 1500 player can play the othodox defense by auto pilot.

One particularly interesting side line is what Euwe called "The Orthodox Fianchetto" which goes like follow:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e3 0-0 6. Nf3 Nbd7 7. Rc1 c6 8. Bd3 h6 9. Bh4 dxc4 10. Bxc4 b5 11. Bd3 a6 12. a4 bxa4!

It's somewhat similar to the Meran and not very well known. (You can have it looked up in some antique openings book like Euwe, volume I).

I also have a soft spot for the Cambridge Springs, but I suspect white get
a plus here with best play.





  
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Re: Orthodox defence
Reply #5 - 03/08/05 at 14:35:49
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To answer the guy's question, presumably ...a6 and...Nxd5 don't go together. The former is useful in an Exchange structure to hold up b5, but after the latter Black is playing either for ....e5 or ....b6 and ...a6 is just a weakening waste of time.

I stand to be corrected by someone who knows what they're talking about, obviously. Maybe GM Scherbakov will drop by and tell us?
  
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Re: Orthodox defence
Reply #4 - 03/06/05 at 23:17:21
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And why this opening is so unpopular for black nowadays?


The QGD Orthodox Defense is a very old, stodgy, inflexible, and downright boring opening for black to play. White is thought to get a small (perhaps even insignificant), put persistent advantage. All the winning chances lie with white, and the the best black can really hope for is a long, dull draw. Basically, black has other replies to the Queen's Gambit which are just as sound, but actually offer black a decent chance to generate some activity and try to win.

I offer the following quote from Grandmaster Nick DeFirmian from "Modern Chess Openings": "The Orthodox Defense...is used today by very few players because of its lack of active counterplay and the small likelihood of Black getting any winning chances. It reached a peak of popularity during the 1927 Capablanca-Alekhine match in Buenos Aires, a contest that is a serious contender for most boring World Championship ever."
  
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Re: Orthodox defence
Reply #3 - 01/20/05 at 15:41:17
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I have no idea, as I have never had interest to play it with either side.
  

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Reply #2 - 01/20/05 at 08:52:06
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And why this opening is so unpopular for black nowadays?
  
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Re: Orthodox defence
Reply #1 - 01/16/05 at 19:56:48
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The main move after 6...Nbd7 7.Qc2 is c5.
According to Taimanov after 6...Nbd7 7.Qc2 c6 8.Rd1 and 8.o-o-o are best.
The correct way to reach the Karlsbad Variation is 6...Nbd7 7.Rc1 a6 8.cxd5 and Nxd5 loses pawn c7.
Finally 6...Nbd7 7.Rc1 c6 8.Qc2 a6 9.cxd5 Nxd5 10.Bxe7 Qxe7 11.Bc4 Nxc3 12.Qxc3 c5 13.dxc5 Alekhine-Vidmar, Hastings 1936, Nxc5 is about equal according to Taimanow.
  

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Orthodox defence
01/16/05 at 07:27:53
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Do you know the Orthodox defence?
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.Bg5 o-o 6.e3 c6 7.Qc2 Nbd7 8.Rc1 a6 9.cd5 ed5. Why the move 9...Nd5 is so unpopular compared to 9...ed5. Isn't it the main idea of the defence?
  
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