Hi castlerock, thanks to you I have spent an evening looking at the 6. Bg5 Samisch KID/Benoni! It is interesting indeed and Ward also thinks so in his Samisch book. 

But for me 6. Nge2 is still more flexible for the coming benoni structure.As a matter of principle isn't it better to have Nge2-g3 with Be2 in place first, before Qd2 (which doesn't seem terribly urgent)? I can always go Bg5 and Qd2 later on. White can surely arrange e4-e5 much faster with 6. Nge2 than 6. Bg5? I agree with you on one thing though, the Samisch Benoni is not as harmless as most Black players think!

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Assuming that the King's English is somewhat related to the King's Indian, I will rejoin you on the subject of English grammar.

I am somewhat impatient with notions of correctness in English, since there are so many registers of English speech, not to mention regional variants.  Correctness is a fine notion for non-English-speakers, but otherwise "correct English" is a Victorian conception that should give way to effective, and the latter, of course, depends on the audience.   

Here in central Ohio, nobody says "The barn needs to be painted" or "The lawn needs to be mown."  We say, "The barn needs painted" and, "The lawn needs mowed".   Anything else would sound funny.  I'm not sure, but I think that this may echo a German construction -- there was a big ethnic German immigration here, complete with German-language newspapers, German churches and even German street names, but this culture was lost after anti-German riots in 1917.

Having said all that, I do think that the split infinitive has a clumsy sound.  "To boldly go" -- blah!   If the intention is to emphasize "boldly," Boldly to go is much more resonant, and a much better utterance for a Star Captain!

Here is a game played by son against a 2085 opponent. It is a good example of what happens to Black if passive play is resorted to.


1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Bg5 Na6 7.Qd2 c5 8.d5 Nc7 9.a4 b6 10.Nge2 a6 11.Nc1 Bd7 12.Rb1 b5 13.b3 Rb8 14.Bd3 bxa4 15.bxa4 Na8 16.0-0 Qa5 17.Nb3 Qc7 18.a5 Rb7 19.Bc2 Rfb8 20.Be3 Be8 21.Kh1 Rb4 22.Qd3 Nd7 23.f4 Qc8 24.Nd2 Rxb1 25.Rxb1 Rxb1+ 26.Ncxb1 Qc7 27.Nb3 Qb7 28.Bd2 Nf8 29.Bc3 Qd7 30.Bxg7 Kxg7 31.h3 Nc7 32.e5 h5 33.Qe3 Kg8 34.N1d2 Nh7 35.Ne4 Qd8 36.Qg3 Kh8 37.exd6 exd6 38.f5 gxf5 39.Qxd6 Qh4 40.Qe5+ f6 41.Qg3 Qxg3 42.Nxg3 f4 43.Ne2 f3 44.gxf3 Ng5 45.Kg2 Bf7 46.h4 Nh7 47.Bxh7 Kxh7 48.Nxc5 Nxd5 49.cxd5 Bxd5 50.Nf4 Bc4 51.Nxh5 Kg6 52.Nf4+ Kf5 53.Nfd3 Bb5 54.Nb4 Kf4 55.Ncxa6 Be2 56.Nd5+ Ke5 57.Nab4 f5 58.a6 Bxa6 59.Nxa6 Kxd5 60.Kg3 Ke5 61.h5 1-0

Got to go. Will post an excellent loss by him later.

Concerning the weakness on e7: Black has rooks on a8 and b8 and plays Ne8, intending Nc7-b5.

"So long as you have some thing up your slieve for 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 and if you have a QI repertoire, you can straight away start playing."
It seems logical to me, to play f3 and Bg5 against the Benoni too. Moreover 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 is a problem, as I want to play the Exchange Variation with the knight to e2 ...
I am looking forward to the games.

@Smyslov_Fan: for me holiday starts tomorrow  

"Delyed Benko is not some thing to worry about because of e7 weakness - another virtue of Bg5. Queen cannot move out and f6 Knight cannot come to d7 without strengthening e7 with Re8. So white has time."
I took a glance to a few games and I am afraid this is simply incorrect. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 o-o 6.Bg5 c5 7.d5 a6 8.Qd2 b5 9.cxb5 Qa5 (so the Queen surely can move out) 10.a4 or 9...Nbd7 10.Nh3 Qa5 The annotated games from chessbase all are won by White but show improvements for Black ...
As I have played the Benkö myself, I can tell you, that Black often can leave the e-pawn unprotected, answering Bxe7 with f6 and the bishop on e7 is shut in. Comments from the experts?

That delayed Benko looks suspiciously like the Blumenfeld (which, see).  Don't you just love the way English follows Latin forms even when they don't make any sense?!  It took almost five hundred years for us to realise that the English infinitive is formed by two words, not one.  That realization means that "to boldly go" is at least as correct as "to go boldly".  Ok, enough ramblings on English grammar.  School starts tomorrow, can't you tell? ???   

[quote author=Michael Ayton  link=1110210262/20#21 date=1123907378]Interesting suggestion, castlerock. Supposing Black realises he can't play 6 ...e5, what are the pitfalls awaiting him after 6 ...c5 (or 6 ...a6 first?)? What lines should White play to help him tumble in?
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Let me try.

A. 6...c5 7.d5 e6 8.exd5 cxd5 8.Qd5 is the most critical line. ECO code A65. Chesspublishing has a problem. Technically it is Benoni but you get it in KID Saemisch move order more often.

The idea is to keep the king side water tight, restrict black's play on the queenside and generate play on the queen side. Or prepare for e5 break. 

This line has a psychological advantage. Half the time, KID players at lower level don't know what to do if they cannot get their e5 and f5 going. Many a time they wait for you to strangle them, slowly.

This is precisely the idea of the line, yet retaining the dynamic of Saemisch. I have posted a couple of games earlier in the thread played at 2000 levels.

Anyway, getting back to the critical line if black plays 8...Nbd7 9.Nh3 followed by 10.Nf2 is a standard plan. I simply love the magestic stead on f2 over protecting e4 and g4 squares and ever ready to jump to d3 to support e5 break.

If black doesn't play 8...Nbd7 but instead prefers 8...Qa5 or 8...Re8 or any other move, we have our first dilemma in this line. 9.Ne2 or 9.Bd3 will be the normal developing moves. I prefer 9.Ne2. But the knight has to move out immediately otherwise defense of b5 square will be compromised. Remember, curtailing black's queenside play is of atmost importance. Even castling comes later 

So 10.Ng3 or 10.Nc1 becomes a compulsory move. Both are good but I personally like Seirawan's plan of Nc1. Searching for Seirawan's A65 games might teach this line better than anything else

Now on to Black's plans. Often the Bishop on g5 so irritating, black plays h6 before catling and plays Kh7 after castling. But this is not needed. At around 9th move black can play h6. Actually, Gods guard the h-pawn. Bxh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 invites ...Nxe4 (after ...Qa5) and the play will be clumpsy and white has to work over time for equality ???
So it is always better to bring the Bishop back to e3.

Next danger for white is a1 rook.With g7 Bishop looking at it, black Queen on a5, White King in the center and Knight on c1, after ...a6 a4, ...b5 cannot be stopped. Here again, Seirawan's preferred Ra3 is an excellent solution. Knight on c1 can go to a2 to support b4 or d3 to support e5, depending on situation.

After all these neutralising moves, it is time for castling after Be2. As you will notice Castling happens very late. There is a major advantage. If black tries ...h6,...Nh5,...f5 and king side pawn storm, we can consider keeping the king in the centre and for standard Saemisch attack with g4,h4 etc

I think I pretty much covered the opening strategies of this most critical line of Bishop g5 Saemisch. Of couse, only to the extent I understand So correct me where ever I went wrong. I have a special passion for this line.

Second most critical line is 6...c6,7...a6 with the idea of ...b5. Other standard KID plans such as ...Na6,...c6, ...c6, cxd5 (without ...e6), ...Nc6 etc etc are also possible. They are all covered under E81. I'll post about them later, if there is sufficient interest.