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Re: A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
Reply #7 - 03/22/05 at 08:30:21
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Thanks Alias. I'm tempted to think Acs--van Wely might be the way for Black to go. I've only had time for a quick look, but van Wely never looked to be in any trouble. My Fritz gives here (after 28 ...Raa7!) 29 b4!? Rh7 30 h4 e4 31 Kf2 Bh6 32 Rd4 Rf7 as about equal (it continues 33 Rad1!? ba 34 Ke2 a3 35 g4 hg 36 Re4 Kf5 37 Kd3 g3 38 Rf1 Kg6 39 Re6 Kh7 40 Rg1 Rf3 41 Ke4 Raf7 42 Rd6 a5 and Black's doing well!). I can find only one example of 20 ...Rg4, which went 21 Qh3 Rg6 22 Qg2 f5 23 Nc2 Ra7 24 Nce3 Qc8 25 Rf1 Rf7 and Black won, but Fritz suggests 21 Qe3 Rc8 22 Qf3 Qg5 23 Ne3 Ng3 24 hg Rg3 25 Qf2 d5 26 Rag1 Re3 and I assume Black might be in trouble in this ending if his pawns can be attacked. Not all forced of course, but maybe indicating some of the possibilities.

The statistics for 13 ...Rg4!? indeed look good for Black when taken as a whole, but in the 17 Kd1 Qb4 variation they're miserable -- +0, =0, -6  on ChessLive. BUT the 17 ...fe!? lines are another matter! -- for what it's worth Black scores two wins and a draw with [18 Be4] 18 ...Qb6, and a win, a loss and two draws with 18 ...d5!?. These lines seem to need more investigation. I hope Tony may be reading this -- Fed doesn't seem to have bequeathed much coverage of the critical Sveshnikov lines to ChessPub ...


  
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Re: A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
Reply #6 - 03/21/05 at 15:19:24
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OK, you have a point  Kiss. However, I'm am studying the Novosibirsk variation, where black plays ..Bg7 before he plays f5, so as to challenge the Nd5 and then play for ...f5 or ...d5. These ideas look very promising for black than the standard 10...f5 11. Bd3 Be6 lines that we've all seen the GMs play online.
  
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Re: A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
Reply #5 - 03/21/05 at 15:04:30
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I have the book. Read the other thread.
  

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Re: A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
Reply #4 - 03/21/05 at 14:52:08
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Statistics look VERY good for black; look at YAAAAKovich's analysis in his book on the ...Rg4 line.
  
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Re: A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
Reply #3 - 03/21/05 at 13:35:37
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Michael: Thanks. The line you gave was played in Acs-Van Wely, Plovdiv 2003. Van Wely gave 28...Raa7 an ! in Informator 89/123. In Informator 90/128 20...Rxg4 was given an ! by Ang. Pérez and Meña Crespo.

Bearer: I don't know which is black's best move at move 13. Statistics doesn't look good for Rg4. More on this on http://altmax.com/cgi-local/cpf/YaBB.cgi?board=OpenSicialians;action=display;num...
  

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Re: A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
Reply #2 - 03/21/05 at 11:25:21
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Let me put MY two-cents-worth in...The better try for black is 13...Rg4!? 14. f4 (the ONLY move) 14...exf4! 15. Nxf4 15...Rxf4 (The ONLY way to obtain counter-chances) 16. gxf4 16...Qa5+! and you have the critical position right in front of you. If you examine the position objectively, you'll find that black has sufficient compensation for the material. I refer you to YAKovich's book on the Svesh, ch. 13, pg. 230, at the point of 16...Qa5+ position. There. That is my two-cents-worth of opinion.  Lips Sealed
  
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Re: A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
Reply #1 - 03/21/05 at 09:54:52
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Nice game, Alias! I remember that when I played the Sveshnikov it used to cause mayhem OTB too -- maybe I'll take it up again.

I notice that, after the more common 14 c3, Yakovich (2002) gives 14 ...fe 15 Be4 Bg4 16 Qh7 Rg7 17 Qh6 Nf3 18 Ke2 Ng5 19 f3 Ne4 20 fg Qc8 (called 'very unclear by Aagaard) 21 Qe3 Qg4 22 Qf3 Qf3 23 Kf3 f5 24 Nc2 Kf7 25 Nce3 Nf6 26 a4 Nd5 27 Nd5 Ke6 28 Rhd1 as slightly favouring White though he imagines Black should hold. What do you/others think of this? Is this still theory?
  
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A busted try for white in the Sveshnikov
03/17/05 at 14:54:59
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Here's a postal game I finished today:

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8.
Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. Nd5 f5 11. Bd3 Be6 12. Qh5 Rg8 13. g3 Nd4 14. O-O-O Rc8
15. f4 Rg6 16. Rd2 Qa5 17. c3 b4 0-1

14.0-0-0 was given an ! by Aaagaard in his book from 2000 without any analysis, just a game reference. The idea has not caught on though. I only have three games with it in my databases.

15...Rg6 is the new move. It threatens to win the queen (with Rh6) and guards the f6 square. Black's attack is very strong if not already winning. Qa5 and b4 will follow.

15...Bxd5 was played earlier. I like the idea of keeping the bishop for the attack of the white king.
  

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