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Reply #20 - 05/02/06 at 10:14:23
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I remember seeing this idea and being a bit sceptical too, so I've never played it. There's a bit on it in Labollita--Leitao on ChessPublishing which might be worth a look.
  
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Reply #19 - 05/02/06 at 05:56:41
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Yesterday I also found an SOS article covering 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 3.c5!?
Weird stuff.... Huh
I have to say that at first sight I am quite sceptical about this move... Anyone got any experience with this?
  
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Reply #18 - 05/01/06 at 21:13:07
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Thanks for your reply Michael!
So far I have followed Davies' recommendation of 3.g3 and was looking for some "not so solid"  Wink alternatives...
3.e3 Nc6 4.b4!? & 3.b4!? are obviously something I have to look into.
  
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Reply #17 - 05/01/06 at 19:01:05
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This is not easy to answer since he has a game each for 3 b4, 3 e3 and 3 g3. He perhaps writes the most warmly of 3 b4 on account of its surprise factor, but he doesn't really suggest any move as being better than the alternatives. For 3 b4 he gives Namgilov--Dao Thien Hai; for 3 e3 he gives Tisdall--Baburin; and for 3 g3 (which he calls the "most conservative" option) he gives Reti--Rubinstein but then he says 3 ...Nf6 isn't the most critical reply and suggests a reversed Benko (4 b4) against 3 ...c5.
  
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Reply #16 - 05/01/06 at 18:01:34
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Anyone knows what Dunnington recommends for white after 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 in his "Easy Guide to the Reti Opening"?
  
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Reply #15 - 04/06/05 at 10:15:18
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Yeah, the push with the a-pawn is a standard plan for Black but it doesn't exactly strike fear into my heart as a White Réti player, I must say!
  

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Reply #14 - 04/06/05 at 07:34:43
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Hello,

There was a very strange Gelfand v Shirov game, where black played the triangle of pawns, then pumped the a-pawn up the board. At move ten or so had not developed a single peice, but still won!
                 There are new comments on the game in the Gambit book Dynamic Chess, but have not had the chance to look at it yet.

Bye John S
  
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Reply #13 - 04/06/05 at 03:15:05
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The other problem with playing 1...d5, 2...e6, 3...c6 is that you get a very passive set-up if White sticks to a Réti and just fianchettos both bishops.  I can't help thinking that this is not the way to challenge White's edge.
  

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Reply #12 - 04/05/05 at 20:57:10
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This is alas not entirely true: 1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 c6 4.e4 is the Marshall Gambit. This is a bigger disadvantage than 4.cxd5 exd5, when Black has no problems at all developing the queens bishop.
Semi Slav players can avoid this after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 and then have to play something independent against 1.c4.
But the initial question (1.Nf3) seems to be answered satisfactory.
  
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Reply #11 - 04/05/05 at 12:33:22
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It has the added bonus that you can use it against 1 c4 as well.
1 c4 e6 2 .. d5 3 .. c6
That way you avoid the move order trick Alumbrado mentioned (1 c4 c6 2 e4) as 2 e4 now only leads to a not-so-good-for-white exchange french (which is incidentally also the least boring exchange variation).
Only disadvantage I see is if white plays 2 d4, when 2.. d5 3 cxd5 is iirc the exchange variation of the QGD.
  

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Reply #10 - 04/05/05 at 09:02:52
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MNB in the semi-slav black plays 4...e6
your line with 1 nf3 d5 2 c4 c6 3 e3 e6 4...nf6 seems fine for black 
plus after 1 nf3 d5 2 g3 it doesnt make sense for black to play d4 and it seems like i would have to play 2...c6 anyway
  
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Reply #9 - 04/04/05 at 23:32:34
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"MNb - you should approve, this is a Classical Dutch with ...e5 already in"
As it is off-topic I have not mentioned it before, but my choice is obviously 1...f5, 2...Nf6, 3...d6 leaving the choice open between 4...e6 and 4...e5. Reason? 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 3.Nf3 f5 4.d4! and Black can not maintain his centre.
But ED is obviously not willing to play the IZ.

White has done very well indeed after 1.c4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 Nf6 (Bf5 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Qb3!) 4.Qc2 but Nbd7 looks reasonable.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Semi-Slav is with 4...e6 isn't it? Then I do not see any real objection against 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 c6 3.e3 e6 and 4...Nf6.
You might also contemplate 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 and only if White plays d4 then c6.

When you are looking for independent variations then 1.c4 e5 is the best choice indeed.
  
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Reply #8 - 04/04/05 at 10:52:55
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Hmm ... well ... it is an option, I suppose, but I am a tad suspicious of this with either colour.
  

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Reply #7 - 04/04/05 at 09:29:21
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Well there is also 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 3.e3 Nc6! 4.b4!? with the same ideas as the gambit when reversed.  I doubt if not having played ...Nf6 (1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 b5 is what I'm referring to of course.) would help him.  As far as I know the opening is still considered fairly unclear and with an extra tempo it can't be too bad!?
  
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Reply #6 - 04/04/05 at 09:15:23
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On topic first:
I would like the position after 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 a lot more if Black were obliged to play ...c5 at some point - then I would indeed feel very happy as White Smiley  Unfortunately, he can meet both 3.e3 and 3.g3 with 3...Nc6(!) (which resembles the annoying line 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3!?) - that seems pretty equal to me, and not particularly stimulating.

This leaves only 3.b4!? which can get a bit murky after 3...f6 4.e3 e5 5.c5!?  I have no objection to murkiness in principle, but I am not sure about this for White at all. Of course 5.Qb3 is also possible, but Black is OK there.

Having said that, if I played the Slav or Semi-Slav with Black against 1.d4, I would be very sorely tempted to play a Slav set-up against 1.Nf3 and 1.c4, too.  If White sticks to his guns and continues to play a Réti set-up, then the lines with ...Bf5 or ...Bg4 are both pretty reliable weapons for Black.

Of course there are still move order issues: if White plays 1.c4, then after 1...c6 you have to be ready for 2.e4!?, and likewise after 1...Nf6 2.Nc3 c6, 3.e4!? is again an option for White.  It is not an easy matter, to force White down your chosen route!  But that is the nature of things, of course ...

As for MNb's recommendations for Benoni players (moving back off topic  Undecided ), believe me, I have thought about this issue!  It is all very well, to play the Symmetrical 1...c5, if you can guarantee that White will subsequently play a quick d2-d4, but if he plays ŕ la Kosten's Dynamic English (i.e. keeping it closed with g3, Bg2, Nc3 and then a3, b4) ... well, this is not to my taste, with Black at least.  Much better imho to go (1.c4) 1...e5 and then either the Reversed Dragon lines or 2...d6 and 3...f5 (MNb - you should approve, this is a Classical Dutch with ...e5 already in!)

  

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