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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #23 - 09/07/05 at 08:32:01
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apologies for double post and my move numbers are wrong... but you get the gist I hope!
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #22 - 09/07/05 at 08:30:39
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Should also add after 5...b5 if White plays slowly e.g. 6. d3 Blacks plan involves Qc7 threatening ...e5 (after which the Bf8 can develop) - surprisingly hard for White to stop as a d4 can still be met by cd4 Nd4 Qe5 in most cases.
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #21 - 09/07/05 at 08:30:32
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Should also add after 5...b5 if White plays slowly e.g. 6. d3 Blacksplan incolves Qc7 threatening ...e5 (after which the Bf8 can develop) - surprisingly hard for White to stop as a d4 can still be met by cd4 Nd4 Qe5 in most cases.
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #20 - 09/07/05 at 08:19:49
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Apologies if this has been covered before but I couldn't find it - only this mysterious 5. b3 move being quoted as almost 'refuting' 3... e6 (ok, I exaggerate slightly...).

Can someone explain to me why 4.b3/5.b3 against e6 is considered so strong by some in this forum? I've been playing this line for years with Black with good results.

e.g. 4. O-O Nge7 5. b3 a6 6. Bc6 Nc6 7. Bb2 b5 is fine for Black IMO. (Bb7 next). Note that a quick d4 by White is answered by cd4 Nd4 Qf6, a very important idea in this line.

More interesting for White against 3...e6 are the lines 4. Bc6 bc6 5. d3 followed by either Nh4/g5 (and a quick f4) once the Black N has gone to e7, or the lines where white plays an early h4. Generally both these options lead to very interesting positions.

  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #19 - 08/01/05 at 15:34:17
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Good point voices, but I still prefer White there. Grin

For sure the Rossolimo is a bit of a nuisance for Black, as is the Alapin.

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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #18 - 08/01/05 at 13:25:04
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I guess below 2000 no one wants to play with their King on f8 on move 10 of the Opening. Grin

Its one thing for club players to follow Lutz - Piket, but quite another to understand it.

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well white has invested 2 tempi to get the king to f8, besides if for some reason you don't want to play this line then 9...Ne6 is also perfectly ok. white has to take care that the e5 pawn doesnt turn into something of a liability. 
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #17 - 08/01/05 at 12:39:13
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I guess below 2000 no one wants to play with their King on f8 on move 10 of the Opening. Grin

Its one thing for club players to follow Lutz - Piket, but quite another to understand it.

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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #16 - 08/01/05 at 06:46:47
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I posted this on other place in this forum but I think it is so important, that I open a new thread:

the more I look at it, the more I recognize that the Rossolimo variation is indeed a foolish thing.  
White has, whatever black plays, a deadly line 
against 3..g6 this is for me 5.Re1 Nf6, 6.e5!, quite difficult; I played this some days ago and say: never again; 


what is so scary for black about the line you mention roi? surely after 5Re1 Nf6 6e5 Nd5 7Nc3 Nc7 8Bxc6 dc 9Ne4 b6 10Nf6+ Kf8 11Ne4 Bg4 12d3 Ne6 black is perfectly fine (see for example Lutz-Piket 1995). There aren't too many promising deviations for white in that sequence either. I dont see any reason there why a 3..g6 player should be afraid of the 5Re1/6e5 line. 
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #15 - 06/02/05 at 21:41:27
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I saw this in a Knightmare I had once  Grin

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 d5 ??!!??!! 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nc3 Qh5 I christened it  the 'Scandacilian'

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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #14 - 06/02/05 at 12:30:44
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3...Nf6 4.Nc3! and we are back in very well played out territory - the guys usually get this position via the 3.Nc3, 4.Bb5 move-order. In my opinion its a lot more risky for Black than the other Rossolimo lines.
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #13 - 06/02/05 at 09:48:46
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Hi Folks!

How about 3...Nf6 (once tried by Larsen)?
This seems to be totally forgotten, a good reason to try it out. 8)
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #12 - 05/02/05 at 01:13:54
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Not that I would call myself a "better player", but at least I had a look at the Megabase concerning your idea: it is not very poplular, but in general it seems to be not-unplayable:

3..e6, 4.Bxc6 bxc6, 5.0-0 d5 or 5.d3 d5

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3..e6, 4.0-0 a6, 5.Bxc6 bxc6, 6.Re1/d3/Nc3/c4 answereed with 6..d5

The reason, why I would definitely not recommend it, is the same reason, I dont play all in all the e6-Rossolimo, b3:
4.0-0 a6, 5.b3! or, even more cruel, 4.b3!!
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #11 - 05/01/05 at 09:48:54
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I would like to know from you better players, if in the 3..e6-Rossolimo Sicilian it is possible in all variations (both a.) 4.Bxc6 and b.) the main variation with 4.0-0 + Re1 + c3..) to reach a quick d5 ?
I am thinking of setup similar to the closed Sicilian where I play 2..e6 and after both 3.f4 or 3.g3 I play 3..d5 with good results, thats why I am interested. Any advice very welcome!
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #10 - 05/01/05 at 08:59:56
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If I am not completely wrong 3..Qb6 is in the main variation nothing else then a transposition to the main line of to 3..e6:

3..Qb6, 4.Nc3 e6, 5.0-0 a6, 6.Bxc6 Qxc6, 7.d4 cxd4, 8.Nxd4 Qc7, 9. Re1

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3..e6, 4.0-0 Nge7, 5.Re1 a6, 6.Bxc6 Nxc6, 7.d4 cxd4, 8.Nxd4 Qc7, Nc3
  
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Re: Rossolimo: what do you play?
Reply #9 - 05/01/05 at 04:31:39
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It is not so that it is unplayable (3..Qb6). But compared with 3..d6 you benefit nothing, thematic it is the same, the main theme is the pawn d6, white attacking it, black defending it, with the only difference that if you play 3..d6 you are quicker in development because with 3..Qb6, like you told, you lose tempi moving the queen away. I see no reason why 3..Qb6 should be interesting: 4.Nc3 e6/5.0-0 a6/6.Bxc6 Qxc6/7.d4 cxd4/8.Nxd4 or Qxd4! and 3..d6 would habe been in my opinion the far better choice.
  
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