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Reply #57 - 06/20/05 at 05:10:11
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New troubles for Black in the line with 15...Bc4 coming from the game A.Kostenjuk-N.Pogonina. 


GM Lubosh Kavelek comments on Kostenjuk-Pogonina and Kosintseva-Pgonina in his Washington Post column of Monday, June 20, 2005

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Reply #56 - 06/05/05 at 17:51:17
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He won't take on c4 unless it leads to a near-forced win; it leads to an open b-file for Black and after the maneouvre Bxf6/Nd5/Nxf6+/Rxd2 (where Black swaps the queens and goes into a rook ending with d6 weak), he will then have ...c3 to break up the White structure. It does seem like a logical way to play, but White is unlikely to take on c4; I'll have a look at this. I'm not sure if this is critical, though, since White seems to be doing very well in Kosteniuk's line...
  
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Reply #55 - 06/04/05 at 13:08:21
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hi all,

I really enjoy these discussions about this line, I hope my question does`nt spoil this thread:
Everybody wants to play 16. ...Bxf1
(1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Qc7 11. Kb1 Be6 12. h4 Rfc8 13. h5 Qa5 14. hxg6 hxg6 15. a3 Bc4 16. Rh3 Bxf1), what about 16. ...b5?
e.g. 17.Bc4 bc4 18.g4 Rab8 with some pressure on the b-file....?
  

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Reply #54 - 05/25/05 at 13:48:43
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I see, it's not hard to create a diagram. For Fen-Notation look at  http://loiodice.com/chess/cc-fen.sht.
So, here is the diagram after 21.Ne3! in the game Kosteniuk-Pogonina, which gives new stuff to think about for Dragon adherents.
http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.phpfen=2rq2kb/pp2pp2/3p1npB/8/2r...


Improvements have to be found starting from the move 16.g4, see diagram. 
http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.phpfen=r1r3k1/pp2ppb1/3p1np1/q7/...
Pogonina played the logical 16..Bxf1 17.Rdxf1 Rc4 18.Be3 Rac8 19.Bh6 Bh8 20.Nd5 Qd8 and then, as I mentioned, after 21.Ne3! it might be too late for Black.
  
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Re: Experts vs The Sicilian - Black Strikes Back!!
Reply #53 - 05/25/05 at 01:50:39
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http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.phpfen=1k5r/pp3npp/3rp3/1R1pq1P1...

The code is

IMG]http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.php?fen=1k5r/pp3npp/3rp3/1R1pq1P1/QP1N1p1P/P3B3/5P2/4KBR1

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I have ommitted the start and end square brackets so that you can actually visualise the code. The top diagram is produced with just the same code plus a couple of square brackets.

If I have been able to work out FEN notation, I guess anybody can...

I guess it will be nice if that php code was also available at this site.....

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Reply #52 - 05/24/05 at 14:31:48
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There is one advantage to not having a diagram though, that being the chance of offhand, useless and little thought out posts, would, with any luck, be greatly reduced.



It would only reduce those offhand, useless and little thought-out posts that have to do with specific ideas on the 64 squares.  There are so many other ones...
  

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Reply #51 - 05/23/05 at 21:18:59
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Those that are really interested Madhacker I hope already know what the position is  Smiley

There is one advantage to not having a diagram though, that being the chance of offhand, useless and little thought out posts, would, with any luck, be greatly reduced.

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Reply #50 - 05/23/05 at 14:50:16
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Also, this way there's a chance people will try and follow it on a board of themselves and be encouraged to contribute something once they've got a chess set out.  Grin
  
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Reply #49 - 05/23/05 at 10:54:00
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I would have inserted a diagram, the problem is, I don't know how.

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Re: Experts vs The Sicilian - Black Strikes Back!!
Reply #48 - 05/23/05 at 09:54:15
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No-one bothers to insert diagrams?? Wouldn't it be a help?
  

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Reply #47 - 05/20/05 at 16:03:47
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Wow!! Swiss_Dragon, this powerful new idea of Kosteniuk or her trainer GM Alexei Korotylev is really extremely unpleasant for black.    

It is not at all clear to me at the moment how Black can significantly improve, as the threats on the h file are just devastating in many lines.

I am not sure if it is a lost cause for Black just yet, but he does well and truly have his work cut out for him.

Over the coming weeks I will try to find some resources for Black. Hopefully a viable solution can be found.

In the meantime, keep hope alive.

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Reply #46 - 05/19/05 at 12:42:04
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New troubles for Black in the line with 15...Bc4 coming from the game A.Kostenjuk-N.Pogonina. Undecided White started the attack with 16.g4 Bxf1 17.Rdxf1 Rc4 18.Be3 Rac8 19.Bh6 Bh8 20.Nd5 Qd8 and then the defensive move 21.Ne3! was strong. Black's reply was 21...R4c5 22.Rh3 Rb5, but after the appearently modest 23.Nd1, there was little Black was able to do, whilst White's forces found their way down the h-file. 23..Qa5 24.Qd3 Qa6 (maybe not the best, but other moves also seem not to help too much anymore) 25.Rh3 Nd7 26.Bc1 Bg7 27.Qd2 Qa4 28.Qh2 Qd4 29.Rh8+ Bxh8 30.Qh7+ and Black resigned. 
Does anybody have an idea, how to improve Black's play? ??? A suggestion is 22...Qb6 when Black has to find a way to step on after 23.c4!? I'm not sure, whether Black can create play quickly enough. Maybe best is 23..e6 now, I don't know.
  
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Re: Experts vs The Sicilian - Black Strikes Back!!
Reply #45 - 05/19/05 at 11:16:15
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My topic is 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2 O-O 9. O-O-O Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Be6 11. Kb1 Qc7 12. h4 Rfc8 13. h5 Qa5  14. hxg6 hxg6 15. a3 15... Bc4 16. Bxc4 Rxc4.

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17.Qc1 e6 18.g4 Rac8 19.g5 Nh5 20.Bg7: Kg7: 21.Rd6:  Rc3: 22.bc3: Ng3  23.Re1 Ne2 


..and here I said that I thought that rather than 24. Qb2 as proposed, White should go in for 24. Rxe2 Qb5+  25. Qb2 Qxe2  26. c4+ Kg8  27. Qc3, saying that it looked pretty bad for Black.

TopNotch proposed 27...Qg2, which I think is probably the best move, and expressed the view that the position is not very testing for Black.  I then suggested 28. Rd7 Qxg5  29. Rxb7 Qc5  30. Kb2.  In a little conversation that TopNotch and I have been having on another thread, he did concede that the ending appears slightly favorable for White but not as bad as "pretty bad for Black" would seem to imply.

Well, shall we examine this?  Since we're down to Q+R and four or five pawns on each side, we may be able to discover Truth here.  I confess that I am not a strong enough player to know it just from looking at the position.  Once again, I am at work and without sight of the board, but I think that White has pawns a3, c2, c4, e4, f3, king b2, queen c3, rook b7; Black has pawns a7, e6, f7, g6, king g8, Queen c5, rook c8.  Objectively, all positions are either won, lost or drawn, so that about this one?  Anyone have any opinions, analysis or perhaps condemnations of my whole understanding of chess?   (It may be useful to consider, of course, whether all this really is best play after 27. Qc3.)
 
One obvious question is whether Black can draw the rook and pawn ending after  30...Qxc4  31. Qxc4 Rxc4  32. Rxa7, but to me that looks like it might be difficult.   [If no one else cares to contibute, I'll just edit this post to add what more I learn.] For example, last night a student and I looked at 32...f5, but White meets this with 33. Re7 fxe5  34. Rxe6 exf3 (34...Rd6!? occurs to me now)  35. Rf6.

We also decided that White's best reply to 30...a6 appears to be 31. a4 (and not the pointless 31. Qf6).
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Re: Experts vs The Sicilian - Black Strikes Back!!
Reply #44 - 05/16/05 at 11:30:36
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I agree that the e-books could do with a bit more detail, however in general the main site is very good.

With Jonathan taking over the anti-sicilians (an unusual choice given his opening repertoire I suppose, but he is definitely an excellent writer and an accomplished theoretician) and Tony taking over the Open Sicilian section, there is a lot to look forward to.

Flear's daring defences is also good, and there is no doubt that Scherbakov does a first-rate job on 1.d4 d5 stuff.

I think that the main site simply seems less useful because we have so many fantastic contributions in the dragon forum (elsewhere the quality and quantity of contributions is far lower), and also because the dragon updates are a little slow and don't always deal with theoretically critical stuff.
  
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Reply #43 - 05/13/05 at 18:45:42
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The eBooks were basically intended as simple guides to the annotated games, so you could easily see which game went where. I guess they could best be compared with the introductions to chapters in 'New Ideas in ...' type books.
  
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