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Reply #57 - 08/14/05 at 13:16:36
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I can't speak for 'Mr Pallister', but the articles I wrote should be appearing shortly (I hope!) as they're all written and with the editors. Check out for news on John Cox's book too (for beating the annoying d-pawn deviations) on the d-pawn various section.
  
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Reply #56 - 08/13/05 at 12:11:44
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I have a question for mr.Pallister.
Are you writing the art. about the subsystems you wrote a couple of week's ago.
I think you planned to publish this in Chess MOnthly

  
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Reply #55 - 08/03/05 at 19:05:38
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Ive been checking in on this thread from time to time, and must say that I am impressed by the level of enthusiasm for this book. Grin

So impressed in fact that I am toying with the idea of acquiring it, but first a query. I have a booklet by the Tango's pioneer Georgi Orlov and was wondering if anyone had this in addition to Palliser's work, and if so how do they compare.

In the Orlov work, he expressed some concerns in a couple lines that may or may not prove problematic for Black. One of them was already discussed here, namely 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5 4.d5 Ne7 5.e4 Ng6 6.h4! h5 7.Bg5. I will have to dig up the manuscript to isolate the other, after which I will post it here.

I hope any potential problems prove minor, as its always nice to have a second string in ones bow when facing 1.d4.

Topperts Grin
  

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Reply #54 - 08/03/05 at 02:53:55
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Palliser only gives a short note on 3.Nf3 d6. 3. - d6 seems to avoid masses of theory. Where can I find more on this line?
  
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Reply #53 - 07/30/05 at 10:19:14
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I bought this book, although not because I was looking for a new defense to 1.d4 (I am pretty loyal to the QGD, with the Dutch as a 2nd option when I am in the right mood).  But I play queen pawn openings with White and I often begin the game with 1.d4 and 2.c4, so I figured I could use the book to come up with a couple of promising lines against the Tango for White.  Also, I thought Mr. Palliser's "Play 1.d4!" book was quite good, so I figured this book focusing on much lesser-known lines might be interesting.

I have spent some hours now looking at the book and doing research on the databases, and I have finally decided on the lines I will play against it as White (although they are not the killer lines I was hoping to find).  Based on the lines I have looked at, the Black Knights Tango seems much more playable than I previously thought.  For some reason I was under the impression that the Tango was one of those openings that you could use only occasionally at the master level for surprise value, or perhaps against substantially weaker opponents.  But after looking at this book, I am starting to become resigned to the probability that the Tango is relatively sound and constitutes another opening which is sufficiently playable to serve as a main defense to 1.d4, and where the level of White's realistic ambition may be a slight advantage out of the opening.

Anyway, another fine book from Mr. Palliser, IMO.  Perhaps even more impressive than his previous book since he is traversing relatively unexplored territory here.  Interesting enough that I actually spent time looking at some chapters that I never had any intention of playing from the White side just out of curiousity.  I must admit that my early chess self-education somewhat biases me against such openings ("knights before bishops" is fine, but "knights before pawns" seems a bit much!), but I think this book makes a strong case that White's best approach may be transposing in to a Qc2 NimzoIndian Zurich Variation where Black's position seems quite reliable and where, in a number of variations, Black's lead in development even provides some attacking chances.




  
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Re: Palliser's Tango Book
Reply #52 - 07/22/05 at 06:00:42
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Thanks for those games Zarvox.
Perhaps the elite could find something against it,  but then also find ways to keep the black position going! Maybe next time there's a FIDE k/o Bologan will return to the Tango fold...let's hope so!
  
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Reply #51 - 07/21/05 at 08:45:42
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Richard's book finally arrived  Cheesy

I play 1. d4 as white, and was a little sceptical about this whole Tango business (if it was so good, why isn't it more popular?). My main concern was 3. Nf3 e6 4. a3, where i didn't think Black was okay in the KID positions, I bought this book mainly for the zurich nimzo coverage. 

But after going through this book, must say black has many interesting resources. I do have a nagging suspicion that if the world elite turns their attention to the Tango, its defects might start to show... but right now a specialist can expect to score well. At lower levels, a casual player merely acquainted with typical themes can expect to rack up a nice plus score.

The best part of the book is Richard's nice explanations of typical plans and positions. In fact, his explanations in this book are even better at starting out a novice, than many other titles in the Starting Out series!

Overall a great effort from Richard, at least on par with his Play 1. d4!, which like another poster, I'm still finding good stuff in it after so long.
  
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Reply #50 - 07/19/05 at 19:03:38
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Here, by the way, are Nakamura's two (long) games with the Tango at the World Open:

[Event "World Open"]
[Site "Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA"]
[Date "2005.07.03"]
[White "GM_Kacheishvili"]
[Black "GM_Nakamura"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Qc2 d6 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. Qxc3 a5 8.
b3 h6 9. g3 O-O 10. Bg2 Re8 11. O-O e5 12. dxe5 dxe5 13. Bb2 Bg4 14. h3 Bh5
15. Qe3 Qe7 16. Rad1 Nd7 17. Nh4 Rad8 18. Nf5 Qf8 19. g4 Bg6 20. Ng3 Nd4 21.
Bxb7 Nc5 22. Bd5 c6 23. Bg2 Bc2 24. Rc1 Bxb3 25. Bc3 Nc2 26. Qf3 e4 27. Qf5
Nd4 28. Qf4 Nce6 29. Qxe4 Qxa3 30. Ra1 Ba2 31. Qb1 Qxc3 32. Qxa2 Nf4 33. e3
Nxg2 34. Kxg2 Nc2 35. Qxa5 Qd2 36. Qxd2 Rxd2 37. Kf3 Nxa1 38. Rxa1 Rc2 39.
Ra4 Re6 40. Ne4 c5 41. Ra5 Rxc4 42. Nxc5 Rf6+ 43. Kg3 Rd6 44. Kf3 Rd5 45.
Nb3 Rxa5 46. Nxa5 Rc3 47. Nb7 Kf8 48. Nd6 Ke7 49. Nf5+ Kf6 50. Ng3 Rc2 51.
h4 g6 52. g5+ hxg5 53. Ne4+ Kf5 54. Nxg5 Rc7 55. Kg3 Ra7 56. Kf3 Kf6 57.
Ne4+ Kg7 58. Ng5 Kh6 59. Kg3 Kg7 60. Kh3 Ra4 61. Kg3 Ra7 62. Kg4 Rb7 63. Kf4
Kg8 64. Kg4 Kf8 65. Kf4 Ke7 66. Kg4 Rb4+ 67. Kg3 Kf6 68. Kh3 Rb7 69. Kg4 Ke5
70. Kf3 Kd5 71. Kg4 Ke5 72. Kf3 Ra7 73. Kg3 Kd5 74. Kg4 f5+ 75. Kg3 Ra4 76.
f3 Ke5 77. Nh3 Ra3 78. Nf4 Kf6 79. Kf2 Kg7 80. Nd5 Kh6 81. Nf4 Ra6 82. Kg3
Ra2 83. Kh3 Ra3 84. Ng2 Kg7 85. Kg3 Kf6 86. Kf4 Rb3 87. Kg3 Kg7 88. Kh3 Kf7
89. Kg3 Ra3 90. Kf4 Ra2 91. Kg3 Re2 92. Kh3 Ke8 93. Kg3 Kd7 94. Kh3 Kd6 95.
Kg3 Ke5 96. Kh3 Kf6 97. Kg3 Kf7 98. Kh3 Rf2 99. Kg3 Rf1 100. Nf4 Rh1 101.
Ng2 Ke7 102. Nf4 Kf7 103. Ng2 Ra1 104. Nf4 Ra6 105. Ng2 Ke6 106. Kf4 Ra1
107. Kg3 Kd5 108. Nf4+ Kc4 109. Nxg6 Rg1+ 110. Kf4 Rxg6 111. h5 Rh6 112. Kg5
Rh8 113. h6 Kd3 114. Kxf5 Rxh6 115. f4 Ra6 {Black wins} 0-1

[Event "World Open"]
[Site "Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA"]
[Date "2005.07.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM_Miton"]
[Black "GM_Nakamura"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nf3 e6 4. g3 d5 5. Bg2 dxc4 6. Qa4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nd5 8.
Bxb4 Nxb4 9. O-O Rb8 10. Na3 O-O 11. Qb5 b6 12. Qxc4 Ba6 13. Nb5 Qd5 14.
Qxd5 exd5 15. Nc3 Rfe8 16. Rfd1 Ne7 17. Rac1 Rbd8 18. a3 Nbc6 19. e3 Nb8 20.
b4 c6 21. a4 Bb7 22. Ne5 Nd7 23. Nxd7 Rxd7 24. a5 b5 25. f3 f5 26. Kf2 Red8
27. Ne2 Nc8 28. Nf4 Re7 29. Nd3 Nd6 30. Ne5 Nc4 31. f4 Rd6 32. h4 g6 33. Bf3
Bc8 34. Rh1 h6 35. Rh2 Rg7 36. Rhh1 Kf8 37. Rh2 Rf6 38. Rhh1 Ke7 39. Rh2 Kd8
40. Rhh1 Kc7 41. Rh2 Be6 42. Ra1 Rff7 43. Rc1 Rf8 44. Rc2 Re8 45. Rc1 Rd8
46. Rhh1 Bd7 47. Rhd1 Bc8 48. Rd3 a6 49. Rdd1 Bb7 50. Rd3 Rd6 51. Ra1 Re6
52. Rdd1 Re8 53. Rh1 Bc8 54. Rad1 Bb7 55. Ra1 Reg8 56. Rh2 Bc8 57. Rd1 Bd7
58. Ra1 Be8 59. Rah1 Bd7 60. Rd1 Bc8 61. Rdh1 Bb7 62. Rd1 Kb8 63. Rhh1 Re8
64. Rd3 Ka7 65. Rdd1 c5 66. dxc5 Nxe5 67. fxe5 Rxe5 68. Rd3 Kb8 69. Rhd1 Rd7
70. Rd4 Kc7 71. Rc1 Bc6 72. Rcd1 Kd8 73. Bg2 Ke7 74. Bf3 Kf6 75. Bg2 Rde7
76. R1d3 Ke6 77. Rd1 Rd7 78. R1d2 Ke7 79. Rd1 Kd8 80. R1d2 Kc7 81. Rd1 Bb7
82. Bf3 Rd8 83. Bg2 Kc6 84. Bf3 Bc8 85. R4d3 Be6 86. Rd4 Bf7 87. R4d3 Rf8
88. Rd4 Be6 89. Bg2 g5 90. hxg5 hxg5 91. Rh1 Rf7 92. Rh6 Re7 93. Rg6 g4 94.
Rh6 Kc7 95. Rd3 Kb8 96. Rh8+ Kc7 {Game drawn} 1/2-1/2

His opponent in the 2nd game won the tournament, incidentally.

Richard, thanks for suggesting the Alekhine. I was already thinking of making the Alekhine my 1e4 defense, it's just that I don't know it well yet, and was concerned about whether there is enough counterplay in the exchange variation.

As for articles on the Tango in US magazines, I certainly haven't seen any in many years.

  
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Reply #49 - 07/19/05 at 04:08:30
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Thanks, Bill. Typical Nakamura indeed, as was his win against Palo which we've given on here! Please tell me have there been any recent articles on the Tango in US magazines (I've seen Joel's excellent introductory stuff on www.jeremysilman.com)?
1 e4 - surely the Alekhine compliments the Tango well and John Cox is the man to follow there?
  
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Reply #48 - 07/15/05 at 11:23:06
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So Richard, are you planning a defense to 1. e4 book to complement the Tango and Play 1. d4 books?

I saw U.S. Champion Nakamura playing the Tango in the World Open recently (I watched some of the game on ICC). He won in over 100 moves, which is pretty typical for Nakamura.
  
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Reply #47 - 07/14/05 at 18:48:19
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I am checking in late to this thread.  I must confess I have not read all the back and forth here.  But I wanted to weigh in on what an absolutely great book the Tango is.  BUY IT NOW!

I bought Palliser's Tango! earlier this week.  The opening is perfect for me -- strategical, not too much theory, fundamentally sound, yet slightly offbeat and not fully respected.  I can hardly put the book down, and can't wait to adopt this as my new answer to d4.

I think the layout worked well -- strategic examples at the front of each chapter, followed by the theory (ni game fragments, no full games).  Richard's explanations are great, and it appears that he has added plenty of his own ideas and conclusions to speficic lines as well.

I should add that Palliser writing is excellent.  I also loved his earlier work Play 1d4.  There is so much content packed into that book, that I am still trying to absorb it 1.5 years later.  (the tango is indeed obscure.  his recomendation for white vs. the tango is quite brief, and probably thoeretically not too challenging to black as well.  go tango.)  Nevertheless, Palliser is quickly becoming one of my favorite authors.
  
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Reply #46 - 07/11/05 at 10:04:04
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Richard, you may like to hear that Hansen at chesscafe.com gave you 5/5. Smiley
  

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Reply #45 - 06/21/05 at 04:01:49
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Just to shamelessly point out for UK readers that the Tango is now retailing from Chess & Bridge and presumably other UK outlets.
  
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Reply #44 - 06/11/05 at 05:12:28
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Yes, good points - I've certainly 'tricked' a few KhalifmanKramnikites with 1Nf3 Nf6 2 c4 Nc6 - they usually go 3 d4 as by playing 1 Nf3 they're often trying to avoid 1 c4 et English lines.
That's a common trap too; it's curious though as to why Bd3 and Nge2 is quite so popular here as it's not hugely popular in the KID! Samisch KID players do meanwhile often opt for 6 Be3 - I guess that when surprised by  the Tango, White players head for familiar set-ups; well for the white pieces perhaps, just not the black ones!
  
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Reply #43 - 06/09/05 at 02:04:33
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roastednuts - Thanks, that makes sense. It's actually a strength of the Tango that there are often 2 such excellent choices of development for the king's bishop.

I've been playing lots of blitz games with the Tango, and 3. Nc3 seems most common. The positions after 3...e5 are fun to play and usually White doesn't have much idea of what to do. I have already gotten the following trap twice!

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 e5 4. d5 Ne7 5. e4 Ng6 6. Bd3 Bc5 7. Nge2?? Ng4! 8. O-O Qh4 9. h3 Nxf2 10. Rxf2 Qxf2+ 11. Kh2 (Kh1 is better but still horrible) d6 (Nh4 is even better) 12. Bd2 Bxh3

Now one game continued 13. Kxh3 Qh4#, while the other went 13. Qh1 Bg4 14.
Be1 Qe3 15. Rd1 Qh6+ 0-1.

Those were just blitz games, but still a good example of how easily White can get in trouble in this variation. I think it's much better for White to play 6. Be3 here.
  
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