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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #123 - 08/17/05 at 17:26:18
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Congratulations, I resign. A straightforward continuation is 34.h7 Rh8 35.Rf7 Kd6 36.g6 (nothing wrong with 36.Kf2) Rxe3 37.g7 Rg3+ 38.Kf2 Rxg7 39.Rxg7 c5 40.Ke3 b5 41.Bg8 a5 42.Ke4 and the king will decide. Alas I missed the Ra8-f8+-f4 idea, but 35.Be6 still looks good.
I suppose, that it is up to X, to show that 11...Be7 is an improvement indeed.
I enjoyed the game and will temporarily be more modest when critizing the BDG.


Ohh what a sad day. Does this now mean that the BDG is sound after all?  

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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #122 - 08/16/05 at 03:15:17
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Just now, I have 20 correspondence games in progress. I´m afraid I´m not able to start new ones now. In case of Markovich´s line, I have some analysis prepared already, but I in case of Zilbermint´s Gambit in Euwe, I have nothing so the start of a game would be very time-demanding. And frankly, I´m not convinced about this particular line. 
And of course, there is a "new" possibility Rajmund has suggested recently 5..Bf5 6.Bc4!? So I wonder if 6.Ne5 is even the best move? According to the ED theory, white should have +/- and the game with Bonsai proved that black has =. So... The only possibility why those lines (in Markovich´s variation) might work is that it transposes into 5..Bg4 6.h3 Bh5 7.g4 Bg6 8.Ne5 e6 variation and therefore it should still be in ED corridor. 
5..Bf5 6.Ne5?! e6?! (c6!=) 7.g4 Bg6?! (Be4!? unclear) 8.Bg2 etc.  Still, black might continue with 8..Nbd7!? thus avoiding 5..Bg4 transpositions after 8..c6 9.h4! There is a difference in h2-pawn, in the first case it is still on h2, in the second case it is on h3. 

5..Bg4 6.h3 Bh5 7.g4 Bg6 8.Ne5 e6 9.Bg2 c6 10.h4!
5..Bf5 6.Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Bg2 c6 9.h4! reaching the same position.
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #121 - 08/15/05 at 20:10:59
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Very nice done Patrik ! Was a good game. But before accepting the proposition of Lev,I think he should play againt Markovich after 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3 Bf5 6.Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Bg2 where I am sure Patrik will do a nice job.


If Patrik finishes his game against GM Prie soon, he might even be able to play 2 new games: 1 against Markovich, and 1 with the Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defense to the BDG.

What say you?

  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #120 - 08/15/05 at 16:37:51
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Very nice done Patrik ! Was a good game. But before accepting the proposition of Lev,I think he should play againt Markovich after 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3 Bf5 6.Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Bg2 where I am sure Patrik will do a nice job.
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #119 - 08/15/05 at 14:01:31
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Congratulations on winning the game, Patrik. A very fine game, with lots of analyses involved. My compliments to everyone who participated. MnB played a good game as well. Looks like this  proves that the Ng5 line,the Alchemy Variation, is indeed playable.

Now Patrik, I have a proposal for you: Play the Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defense with the White pieces! This would be an interesting game to look at, and I would comment on it personally.

What do you think?
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #118 - 08/15/05 at 02:28:49
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Well, here are some pieces from my during-the-game analysis:

11..Be7!? 12.a4 Be4 13.a5!? Nbd7 14.Ng5 Bf5 15.c5 Bg4 16.Qe1 0–0 17.h3 Bf5 18.g4± 12..0-0!? or 12..Bf5!? are interesting alternatives.

13..Nxf4!? 14.Bxf4 Qd8 15.a4 Be7 16.a5 a6!?= 

15..Nxf4!? 16.Bxf4 Qd8 17.Rad1 Nd5! [17...0–0 18.g4 Bg6 19.h4±] 18.Nxf7 Kxf7 19.g4 g6 20.Be5 Re8 21.gxf5 exf5 22.Rxf5+ gxf5 23.Qh5+ Kg8 24.Bxd5+ Qxd5 25.Kf2 Bh4+ 26.Qxh4 Rxe5 27.Rg1+ Kf8 28.Qf6+ Ke8 29.Qxe5+ Qxe5 30.dxe5 Kf7! [30..Rd8 31.Rg8+ Ke7 32.Rxd8!+-] is near to be a draw.

15..0-0?! 16.g4! Bg6 (16..Be4 17.g5! with initiative) 17.g5! Nd7 18.Nexg6 hxg6 19.Kg2!? Nxf4 20.Bxf4 Qd8 21.h4 with initiative. 19.Qg4!? recommends Rajmund Emanuel. 19.Rf3 e5! is unclear.

16..Be4?! 17.Bxd5 exd5 18.g5 Rg8 19.Ng2! Nd7 20.Nxf7+/- (P.Schoupal)

18...0–0?! 19.h4 Nd5 (19...Nd7 20.Nxd7 Qxd7 21.h5±) 20.h5 Bg5 21.hxg6 Nxf4 22.gxf7+ Kh8 23.Qe4 Qf6 24.Bxf4 Qxf4 25.Qxf4 Bxf4 26.Bxe6 Rad8 27.Re1 g6 28.Re4 Bg5 29.a4 Kg7 30.Kg2 h5 31.b4 a6 32.gxh5 gxh5 33.Nc4 with initiative or white can also follow Markovich´s suggestion.
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #117 - 08/15/05 at 02:19:40
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Congratulations, I resign. A straightforward continuation is 34.h7 Rh8 35.Rf7 Kd6 36.g6 (nothing wrong with 36.Kf2) Rxe3 37.g7 Rg3+ 38.Kf2 Rxg7 39.Rxg7 c5 40.Ke3 b5 41.Bg8 a5 42.Ke4 and the king will decide. Alas I missed the Ra8-f8+-f4 idea, but 35.Be6 still looks good.
I suppose, that it is up to X, to show that 11...Be7 is an improvement indeed.
I enjoyed the game and will temporarily be more modest when critizing the BDG.


   After I played my conditional move, Rajmund Emanuel asked me about 34..Rh8 35.Rf7 Kd6 36.g6 Bh4! and black has still some chances to draw. But I have another idea on my mind when playing h7! It is 36.Kf2! Rxe3 37.Kxe3 Bxg5+ 38.Ke4 and this position should be won. Plan is to build a Rg7, ph7, Bg8 position or to put the bishop on b1-h7 diagonal to cover h7 pawn and then to play Rg8 winning an exchange.
   Many thanks go to Rajmund Emanuel for great deal of help during all my three games and some brilliant suggestions. 
   Thank you very much also to my opponent, MNb, who played a very good game and was strong opponent. It was pleasure to play with you. 
   Today, I have sent my annotated game (using some comments from here) to Rajmund Emanuel to publish it on  the ED website. As soon as it appears there I will put a link here. I have had some suggestions for black over the game. Not only 11..Be7, which is not an improvement, I think, but rather the move leading to completely new game (position). Maybe an alternative is a better expression. 11..Be7 is a good alternative, not improvement. 
   Possible improvements are 13..Nxf4!? or 15...Nxf4!? See more on the ED website more. We can discuss it in more details. 
   If Eric will accept the draw, which is very probable, despite the fact that after my rather weak last three or four moves he is indeed even a bit better now, though the position is a draw, the final result of BDG Challenge Matches will be 2-1 for BDG. I consider it to be success, comparing it to power of harsh criticism against the opening. 
   Though I won and drew in Ziegler Defence as white, it becomes my favourite move against BDG and according to my opinion it is probably the best one. Certainly it is not a chicken-like move, as LZ thinks. It rather a lion-heart move because it needs lot of bravery to play seemingly slow-paced move like c6 against hyper-speed gambit like BDG. 
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #116 - 08/14/05 at 21:21:24
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Good Game gentlemen. 

That was nice, now if we can annotate it and get it in the updates. 

Nice job both of you.
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #115 - 08/14/05 at 21:14:55
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Congratulations, I resign. A straightforward continuation is 34.h7 Rh8 35.Rf7 Kd6 36.g6 (nothing wrong with 36.Kf2) Rxe3 37.g7 Rg3+ 38.Kf2 Rxg7 39.Rxg7 c5 40.Ke3 b5 41.Bg8 a5 42.Ke4 and the king will decide. Alas I missed the Ra8-f8+-f4 idea, but 35.Be6 still looks good.
I suppose, that it is up to X, to show that 11...Be7 is an improvement indeed.
I enjoyed the game and will temporarily be more modest when critizing the BDG.
  

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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #114 - 08/11/05 at 05:40:22
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1.e4 d5 2.d4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5 7.0-0 Bg6 8.Ne2 Nbd7 9.Nf4 Nb6 10.Bb3 e6 11.c4 Qc7 12.c5 Nbd5 13.Ne5 Be7 14.Qe1 Bf5 15.Qe2 Qd8 16.g4 Nxf4 17.Rxf4 Bg6 18.Qf3 Rf8 19.h4 Nd5 20.h5 Nxf4 21.Qxf4 f6 22.Nxg6 e5 23.Qe4 hxg6  24.Qxg6+ Kd7 25.Be3 Qe8 26.Qf5+ Kc7 27.dxe5 b6 28.Qh7 Bxc5 29.Qxg7+ Qe7 30.Qxe7+ Bxe7 31.Rf1 fxe5 32.h6 Rad8 33.g5 (and if 33..Rd3 then 34.h7)

Let´s have some fun after 33.g5 Rd3 34.h7! I think 32..Rxf1+ 33.Kxf1 Rf8 34.Ke2 Rf4!? is a bit better choice though still perhaps won for white.
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #113 - 08/09/05 at 00:11:25
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1.e4 d5 2.d4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5 7.0-0 Bg6 8.Ne2 Nbd7 9.Nf4 Nb6 10.Bb3 e6 11.c4 Qc7 12.c5 Nbd5 13.Ne5 Be7 14.Qe1 Bf5 15.Qe2 Qd8 16.g4 Nxf4 17.Rxf4 Bg6 18.Qf3 Rf8 19.h4 Nd5 20.h5 Nxf4 21.Qxf4 f6 22.Nxg6 e5 23.Qe4 hxg6  24.Qxg6+ Kd7 25.Be3 Qe8 26.Qf5+ Kc7 27.dxe5 b6 28.Qh7 Bxc5 29.Qxg7+ Qe7 30.Qxe7+ Bxe7 31.Rf1 fxe5 32.h6 Rad8
Finally all my pieces are developed.
  

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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #112 - 08/06/05 at 14:45:54
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1.e4 d5 2.d4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5 7.0-0 Bg6 8.Ne2 Nbd7 9.Nf4 Nb6 10.Bb3 e6 11.c4 Qc7 12.c5 Nbd5 13.Ne5 Be7 14.Qe1 Bf5 15.Qe2 Qd8 16.g4 Nxf4 17.Rxf4 Bg6 18.Qf3 Rf8 19.h4 Nd5 20.h5 Nxf4 21.Qxf4 f6 22.Nxg6 e5 23.Qe4 hxg6  24.Qxg6+ Kd7 25.Be3 Qe8 26.Qf5+ Kc7 27.dxe5 b6 28.Qh7 Bxc5 29.Qxg7+ Qe7 30.Qxe7+ Bxe7 31.Rf1 fxe5 32.h6

I thought that 32.Rf2 is the move. It is true after 32..Bh4? or 32..Rh8? but black can sacrifice his bishop as following line shows: 32.Rf2 Rxf2! 33.Kxf2 Rf8+ 34.Ke2 e4 35.g5 Bxg5! 36.Bxg5 Rf5 and now, despite the fact that engines prefer white, the position is a draw because h-pawn is lost. After 32.h6 there is another danger for white, opposite coloured bishops. Still, I hope in a full point, though some clouds are walking over the sky. Can black give his rook for bishop and tranpose to drawish opposite coloured bishops endgame? Or is this endgame, despite this fact, won for white?
  
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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #111 - 08/04/05 at 05:36:57
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Patrik is an adventurer and he played for viewers, but he could play it simply and ensure an advantage with more certainty:
28.e6!? Kb7 29.Rc1 Kb7 30.cxb6 axb6 31.Ba4+-
  
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Reply #110 - 07/20/05 at 21:18:36
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1.e4 d5 2.d4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5 7.0-0 Bg6 8.Ne2 Nbd7 9.Nf4 Nb6 10.Bb3 e6 11.c4 Qc7 12.c5 Nbd5 13.Ne5 Be7 14.Qe1 Bf5 15.Qe2 Qd8 16.g4 Nxf4 17.Rxf4 Bg6 18.Qf3 Rf8 19.h4 Nd5 20.h5 Nxf4 21.Qxf4 f6 22.Nxg6 e5 23.Qe4 hxg6  24.Qxg6+ Kd7 25.Be3 Qe8 26.Qf5+ Kc7 27.dxe5 b6 28.Qh7 Bxc5 29.Qxg7+ Qe7 30.Qxe7+ Bxe7 31.Rf1 fxe5
  

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Re: Schoupal : MNb, 2005, BDG Challange Match
Reply #109 - 07/20/05 at 03:47:05
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1.e4 d5 2.d4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5 7.0-0 Bg6 8.Ne2 Nbd7 9.Nf4 Nb6 10.Bb3 e6 11.c4 Qc7 12.c5 Nbd5 13.Ne5 Be7 14.Qe1 Bf5 15.Qe2 Qd8 16.g4 Nxf4 17.Rxf4 Bg6 18.Qf3 Rf8 19.h4 Nd5 20.h5 Nxf4 21.Qxf4 f6 22.Nxg6 e5 23.Qe4 hxg6  24.Qxg6+ Kd7 25.Be3 Qe8 26.Qf5+ Kc7 27.dxe5 b6 28.Qh7 Bxc5 29.Qxg7+ Qe7 30.Qxe7+ Bxe7 31.Rf1

I think this move is a starter to a study-like endgame. White has many different choices here, black as well, but I think there might be just one winning way for white, therefore a study-like endgame. I have something prepared already:-). But more after my leave.  It is going to be very interesting and rich endgame. 
Two-passed connected pawns are deadly though.
  
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