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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #60 - 02/22/10 at 00:13:00
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kylemeister wrote on 02/21/10 at 23:05:07:
So what about 11. Nb6 (instead of 11. Bb6), which Walter Browne (cited in ECO) thought should lead to a clear advantage for White?

I don't see anything concrete for white after 11.Nb6. Black has 11... Ra7 as well as 11...Nc6 with again compensation for the exchange although here a lit bit less favorable version because black will need to put the queen in a temporarily ackward position.
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #59 - 02/21/10 at 23:05:07
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So what about 11. Nb6 (instead of 11. Bb6), which Walter Browne (cited in ECO) thought should lead to a clear advantage for White?
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #58 - 02/21/10 at 22:22:02
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ygramul wrote on 11/21/05 at 11:59:06:
Since I also came to the conclusion that nowadays the Karpov system gives a draw, if Black is well prepared (and generally it is), I play the line with Nd5, too.
However I even prefer to wait before castling short adding more possibilities for White (in some variations you can switch to a k side pawn attack and castling long)


I've been reviewing the Nd5 recently extensively due to an encouter with an annoying line involving an exchange sacrifice:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 c5 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 Be6 10.Nd5 Nxe4 11.Bb6 Qd7 12.Nc7 Nc6 13.Nxa8 Rxa8 and from this position there are only a few games in the database. My preference after extensive analysis goes today to 14.f3 Nf6 15.Re1 with the idea to answer Nd5-Nf4 with Bf2-Bf1. Black certainly has compensation.

So I started to investigate if maybe a different moveorder e.g. via a later castling can shortcut this variation, however other inconveniences are popping up.
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 c5 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.Be3 Be6 9.Nd5 (This moveorder avoids the Nxe4 line) Nxd5 10.exd5 Bf5 11.Qd2 a5 and now f4 doesn't work as it does in an early 0-0 see below:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 c5 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 Be6 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.exd5 Bf5 12.Qd2 a5 13.f4 exf4 14.Rxf4 Bg6 15.Ra4 with a small advantage for white
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #57 - 09/27/06 at 07:28:42
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A specific question about whether ...e6 or ...e5:
In the Najdorf, like most if not all the Sicilians, one thematic move is ...d6-d5 break. Often Black has to clamp down on WHite's e-pawn first with ...e6-e5 before ...d5 otherwise he may meet a surprise e5!
So this is the question: is ...e5 better because Black can aim towards ...d6-d5 straight away? In other words, is ...e6 a waste of a tempo?

BTW: sorry if this question sounds stupid but i have almost never played the najdorf before (though i remember i dabbled in it in my third year of chess  Grin - back when lines are there to be learnt and not to be understood  Cheesy)
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #56 - 01/26/06 at 20:25:37
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Emms book is excellent AND he has a good explanation why not Qc7.... did YOU miss it?
  

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Reply #55 - 11/21/05 at 11:59:06
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Since I also came to the conclusion that nowadays the Karpov system gives a draw, if Black is well prepared (and generally it is), I play the line with Nd5, too.
However I even prefer to wait before castling short adding more possibilities for White (in some variations you can switch to a k side pawn attack and castling long)
  
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Reply #54 - 10/05/05 at 23:44:07
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arnt we all
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #53 - 10/05/05 at 22:37:19
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Gms go from one popular line to the other! Tongue 



GMs don't go from one popular line to another, they make the lines popular!  I try to hitch rides on the shoulders of giants  but am usually left eating their dust. Sad
  
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Reply #52 - 10/05/05 at 21:41:53
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Gms go from one popular line to the other! Tongue we class folk are lucky as we can play just about anything as long as we "know" it. I wonder if NIC published somthing on it and that seemed to put it our of fashion? Im not sure but thats for another thread all together.
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #51 - 10/04/05 at 12:32:57
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Yep, it is quite a good line and I had very good results with it - I can't remember why I stopped playing it!! Embarrassed
  
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Reply #50 - 10/03/05 at 04:17:14
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I don't think that the Karpov way of playing is particularly dangerous since someone successfully played 11...Nc5 against Gallagher in a simul once, Joe took notice, and then started fruitfully playing it himself!


I played myself the Karpov setup a couple of years before I realised after studying it a bit more serious that it gives nothing for white if black knows what he is doing. Nowadays I play the line with 1. e4, c5 2. Nf3, d6 3. d4, cd4: 4. Nd4:, Pf6 5. Nc3, a6 5. Be2, e5 6. Nb3, Be7
7. 0-0, 0-0 8. Be3, (8. Kh1 is still popular and would be my next try if the line with 8. Be3 doesn't provide the necessary juice anymore.), Be6 9. Nd5 and my research shows that there is still plenty of new things to be discovered. In chessbase I saw that you played the line already more than 15 years ago and probably gave it up for some reason. Nevertheless I think it would be interesting to see if you still think the same after checking your analysis with Fritz and co.
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #49 - 10/02/05 at 16:17:27
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GM Kosten,

It certainly turned out to be a great way to get a GM to comment on the Benko! Grin
  
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Reply #48 - 10/02/05 at 15:42:12
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Anyway, how come we are discussing Benko Gambits in the Open Sicilian bit?!

Because there are some very confused people on this site.

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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #47 - 10/02/05 at 15:20:04
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I don't think that the Karpov way of playing is particularly dangerous since someone successfully played 11...Nc5 against Gallagher in a simul once, Joe took notice, and then started fruitfully playing it himself!
Anyway, how come we are discussing Benko Gambits in the Open Sicilian bit?!
  
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Re: Najdorf ...e6 or ...e5
Reply #46 - 09/18/05 at 09:09:30
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As always....trust MNb to come up with very enlightening explanations for anything! Thanks very much!
  

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