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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #14 - 02/12/07 at 14:51:38
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/23/05 at 02:01:51:
Here's another idea:

Since you already know the Dutch, you could meet 1.Nf3 with 1...e6 and if your opponent plays something other than 2.d4 you can always switch to 2...f5.  That is, if White doesn't play 2.e4 against you!  In that case I hope you know your Taimanov/Paulsen/Kan Sicilians! (1.Nf3 e6 2.e4 c5!)


Or the French.
  

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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #13 - 02/11/07 at 21:19:53
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I have given up even trying to get a Nimzo or QID against 1.Nf3, and have instead opted for: 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 c6.  Strangely, I have never run into the Slav this way.  Lots of nonsense with d3 and a very easy game for Black and a number of Panov-Botvinnik Attacks after 3.e4, which can put me back in Nimzo territory by transposition...
  

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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #12 - 02/11/07 at 19:52:37
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I feel that there are 3 option packages that would serve best:

1) Khalifman's Karpov Repertoire:  1.c4- e5,Nf6,Nc6,Bb4 line
                                                  1.Nf3 -Dbl. Fianchetto

2) Symmetrical English Hedgehog vs. both 1.c4 and 1.Nf3

3) 1. c4- e5,Nf6,Nc6,Bb4 like above
    1.Nf3- Nf6,e6,Bb4 (watch out for g4)

This is just speculation, but maybe the first option has the best theoretical reputation, with Anand,Kramnik,Aronian,Kasparov,Karpov,etc. playing it at various times.  I think Mickey Adams favors the e5 approach vs. 1.c4, but the hedgehog vs. 1.Nf3. Palliser's new book on 1.c4/1.Nf3 type stuff has a section on the Nf6,e6,Bb4 line. Maybe that one might be the most similar to the Nimzo,QID, thus making it easier to assimilate.  Just some thoughts. Good Luck.
  
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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #11 - 02/11/07 at 05:32:11
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MNb wrote on 07/23/05 at 23:34:30:
and the KIA too: 1.Nf3 e6 2.d3 preparing e4.


I was thinking that too, but not for KIA, but the "refutation" of the dutch.
  
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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #10 - 02/01/06 at 22:22:36
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Klick wrote on 10/25/05 at 21:51:52:
What does really other Nimzo players play against 1.Nf3 and 1.c4? Do they play something entirely different or do they try to get into the Nimzo?


I play 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 (3.d4 d5), going into a QGD without Exchange/Nge2 set-ups and 1.c4 e5, but that's another story...
  
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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #9 - 02/01/06 at 19:32:55
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here is a further option:

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 Nc6 3. d4 e6 4. Nc3 or g3  then Bb4 if you play that Nimzo/Bogo-variation

if 3. g3 d5 and you reach a catalan .... or 3. g3 e5 ... english

of course there is 3. a3 and you have to learn the socalled Tango

Do you know a way for white to exploit this moveorder ?

  
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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #8 - 10/25/05 at 21:51:52
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What does really other Nimzo players play against 1.Nf3 and 1.c4? Do they play something entirely different or do they try to get into the Nimzo?
  

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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #7 - 07/23/05 at 23:34:30
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and the KIA too: 1.Nf3 e6 2.d3 preparing e4.
  

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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #6 - 07/23/05 at 02:01:51
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Here's another idea:

Since you already know the Dutch, you could meet 1.Nf3 with 1...e6 and if your opponent plays something other than 2.d4 you can always switch to 2...f5.  That is, if White doesn't play 2.e4 against you!  In that case I hope you know your Taimanov/Paulsen/Kan Sicilians! (1.Nf3 e6 2.e4 c5!)
  
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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #5 - 06/22/05 at 10:28:28
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You could try 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 c4 b6. Play should be similar to the QID, though white can try a setup with e4 iso d4, which you would have to look into. This is what Khalifman recommends in his Karpov book (he recommends e5 against c4)
  

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Re: How to reach a Nimzo/Queens Indian after 1.Nf3
Reply #4 - 06/22/05 at 10:20:20
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You need also to worry a bit about 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.g4!? Shocked - check out some of Tony's Flank Openings updates for more on this.
  

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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #3 - 06/22/05 at 09:33:35
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Indeed, you can try to get into a nimzo or queens-indian after both 1.Nf3 and 1.c4, but white has some good options sidestepping the mainlines. I`ve met 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 0-0 5.a3 Bxc3 6.Qxc3 three times, when I still have not worked out what effect the d-pawn still staying on d2 has on the game. It just so happens that this is the line recommended by Khalifman against the Nimzo-Indian in his books on Kramnik`s repertoire. Unfortunately I do not have them and so don`t know what they say.

Another line is as previously mentioned 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4

These lines will not stop me from going for Nimzo or Queens-indian setups, but deeper investigation is called for.
  

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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #2 - 06/06/05 at 10:20:23
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Alas, this is the problem. There are decisions to make vs 1.c4 as well. The Nimzo is great, if you can get it. These are some choices-

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 and if 3.Nc3 Bb4; 3.g3 b6 if you are willing to play ...Bb7 lines vs g3 or play 3...d5 steering towards a Catalan if you play 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 d5.

1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 may bother you... if so try 1.c4 b6!?
  
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Re: How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf
Reply #1 - 06/05/05 at 04:21:08
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What to do now against 1.Nf3 to reach my opening repertoire? Nf6? e6?

Despair... You cannot force white to allow a Nimzo or QID, but of course either e6 or Nf6 would at least leave that option open. In the end white will however always have the option to e.g. delay d2-d4.
  
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How to reach a NimzoIndian/Queensi. after 1.Nf3?
06/05/05 at 02:15:21
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During the last years I answered 1.Nf3 with 1..f5, as I played the Dutch.

Now I have changed my repertoire to the Nimzoindian/Queensindian.

What to do now against 1.Nf3 to reach my opening repertoire? Nf6? e6?
  
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