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Re: A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
Reply #7 - 10/05/05 at 23:41:28
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The game Basqueknight is talking about here can be found on http://www.chessbase.com/columns/column.asp?pid=164

Good writeup overall.
  

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Re: A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
Reply #6 - 10/05/05 at 23:25:35
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The gothenberg is covered on Kasparovs DVD and i cant recall right now but fishcer found an improvement over the argentian tragedy. I think it was a rook lift not sure now ill check back if i get the dvd back i leant it to a friend but maybe some one else has heard of this.
  
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Re: A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
Reply #5 - 10/04/05 at 06:54:46
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disregard - compy not functioning... thought I had the right game up
  
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Re: A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
Reply #4 - 10/04/05 at 06:49:44
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Anand-Adams Rd 3

Adams plays the move... he ruins the idea a move later. Granted I can't blame him because he would beat me in it, but 11...hxg5?! It is too slow.

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Re: A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
Reply #3 - 06/07/05 at 01:13:01
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Saying, "the idea behind the Gotheburg variation must be to get the excellent square e5 for the knight in return for weakening the kingside" unfortunately doesn't fly as this plan is flawed and, if I have heard it correctly, busted. So there must be something else and most play, for white, hinges on a sac at b5 or e6. I would say that in the variation white may well be slightly beter or have a lasting advantage (read: black's attrocious* kingside) but I think that if black plays correctly he can use what should now his initiative. White is nearly required to move his bishop and g3 seems the best post, but i think that ...Bxg5 stopping the queenside castle could be the best response, but I like ...Nxg5 as it forces another of white's pieces to move (though possibly to a better square).

Perhaps we will see in time.
  
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Re: A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
Reply #2 - 06/06/05 at 17:37:25
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My ECO evaluates the position in that game after 15.Ndxb5 as "white has the upper hand". 16.Bxd6 instead of 16.Rxd6 might be an improvement, after 16.-,Ng6 17.e5 the white knights threaten to go to d6 or f6 and black's position looks difficult.

Black's moves in that game aren't forced of course but the idea behind the Gotheburg variation must be to get the excellent square e5 for the knight in return for weakening the kingside. Weakening the kingside to get the knight to h7 doesn't look very promising.
  
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Re: A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
Reply #1 - 06/06/05 at 11:57:02
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The only game that I can find of this is Lutikov-Pasman Riga, 1968. It ended in a draw but I think that there was better play available.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 h6 9.Bh4 g5 10.fxg5 Nh7 11.Bg3 hxg5 12.O-O-O Nf8 13.Bb5+ axb5 14.Rhf1 Rh7 15.Ndxb5 Na6 16.Rxd6 Qa5 17.a3 Bd7 18.b4 Nxb4 19.axb4 Qxb4 20.Rd4 Ra1+ 21.Kd2 Rxf1 22.Qxf1 Bxb5 23.Qxb5+ Qxb5
24.Nxb5 Ng6 25.Nd6+ Bxd6 26.Rxd6 Nf8 1/2-1/2

Doesn't anybody have an opinion on this line?

Andy
  
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A Move I can't find in the Gothenburg
06/05/05 at 23:29:50
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For those that don't know.. the Gothenburg runs 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 a6 6 Bg5 e6 7 f4 Be7 8 Qf3 h6 9 Bh4 g5 10 fxg5 and then the normal move is ...Nfd7. What is wrong with the simple 10...Nh7? It seems that white will simply no longer be able to hold the pawn. The light squared bishop is now able to hold e6 and b7. Black threatens to take on g5 with any number of pieces and pawns. I being only in the 1800 range can't sort through the complications really. 11 g6?! leads to ...Bxh4+ 12 g3 Bf6 with Ng5 coming if it isn't taken off. If 13 gxh7 Bxd4 seems to do right for black, no? Am I wrong? Is there any concrete theory on this? I heard that the Gothernburg was busted, but has anyone looked at this (read: given it serious thought)?

Thanks.
  
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