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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #23 - 10/01/10 at 08:49:43
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Viking wrote on 09/30/10 at 16:51:39:
Magnus on his game with Adams quoted from his blog (http://www.arcticsec.no/index.php?button=blog&main_image=35)
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Despite the unusual opening choice I was happy with my position entering the middle game. Becoming a bit too optimistic I played for a win but underestimated his attack and lost deservedly.


Exactly. Magnus came out of the opening with a very reasonable position. But because he lost I see comments on the internet like trash, junk, dodgy, rude to his teammates etc. Mildly annoying.  Wink
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #22 - 09/30/10 at 16:51:39
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Magnus on his game with Adams quoted from his blog (http://www.arcticsec.no/index.php?button=blog&main_image=35)
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Despite the unusual opening choice I was happy with my position entering the middle game. Becoming a bit too optimistic I played for a win but underestimated his attack and lost deservedly.
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #21 - 09/28/10 at 09:16:29
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Clearly Smiley As I remember he came terribly close to losing to Adams in the London tournament last winter, so you'd think he'd take him half way seriously!

I guess its hard for him to get motivated when he's not really playing for anything beyond pride.
  
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Reply #20 - 09/28/10 at 02:00:28
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Teenagers.  Roll Eyes Clearly Magnus is already bored with his 2800 rating!
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #19 - 09/27/10 at 19:39:29
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It seems Magnus just wants to play funchess, his play against Adams was just begging for problems and a loss. It seems, he doesn´t take his opponents seriously, maybe Garri should take a call with him.
  

The older, the better - over 2200 and still rising.
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #18 - 09/27/10 at 17:56:31
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Carlsen does have a very good score against Adams. Still Adams is a bit too strong to play cat and mouse...

Carlsen should leave the northsea for ICC blitz...
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #17 - 09/27/10 at 15:22:03
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Yes, North Sea not for casual swimmers.

I would be interested in Carlsens thought process in deciding to play this vs Adams.
Though I do think the opening in this game went ok for Black.
  
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Reply #16 - 09/27/10 at 13:13:00
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Didn't work too well tho'.
Adams 1-0 Carlsen

Turned out nice again.

  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #15 - 09/27/10 at 11:21:58
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... and now Carlsen plays it versus a 2700+!!
Maybe this opening has no refutation after all.
It certainly is a different way to go.
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #14 - 07/24/09 at 00:06:21
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Stefan Bücker has a longer article on Chesscafe.com about the North Sea defense: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss33.pdf
  

What kind of proof is that?
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #13 - 07/23/09 at 23:57:40
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Tim Harding wrote about the defense on SOAK http://www.soak.com/topic/chess/article/tshow/15906/the+north+sea+defence+refute...

"THE NORTH SEA DEFENCE REFUTED?
Some years ago, Swedish analysts came up with a hybrid of the Modern and Alekhine's Defences that goes 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Nf6 3 e5 Nh5 4 Nf3 d6. Known as the North Sea Defence, it is still an almost unknown variation -- not mentioned in most theory books.

The defence took a big knock in the high-level postal game D.Stern-G.Hjorth, 1994, when White played 5 Bc4 Nc6 6 Ng5! e6 7 g4! Be7 (If7...Ng7 8 Qf3 Qe7 9 Bb5 Bd7 10 Ne4 when 10...Nxd4 or Nxe5 fails to 11 Nf6+ Kd8 12 Qxb7.) and now Stern played simply 8 Nf3! when the black knight gets stuck on the bad square g7.

GM Julian Hodgson and some others have tried to revive this defence by 5...d5. However, this means Black abandons any hope of quick pressure against the white centre.

- Tim Harding
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #12 - 07/23/09 at 22:52:31
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Hi everyone! This is my first post here. I was gathering round as much material as I can find available online on the North Sea Defence. Apparently there was lots of interesting stuff posted by Martens himself on the Schackforum, but I can't access it. Do you know if it has been stored elsewhere and can be still accessed?. Thanks in advance!

PS Sorry for my English, not a native speaker  Embarrassed
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #11 - 06/27/05 at 12:30:31
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Thanks for this. Personally I'd far rather brave the 4 ...d6 lines than shuffle around with 4 ...Ng7, even though that might be playable by analogy with the Alekhine's.
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #10 - 06/27/05 at 10:25:22
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Yes you're right Michael,

the guru responded thus:

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Nf6 3.e5 Nh5 4.Be2 d6 5.f4 c5 6.dxc5 Qa5+ 7.Nc3 dxe5 8.fxe5 Nc6 9.Nf3 Bg4 10.Be3 Rd8 11.Qc1 Bg7 12.0-0 0-0 13.h3 Bxf3 14.Bxf3 Ng3 15.Re1 Nf5 16.Bf2 Nfd4 17.Bxd4 Rxd4 18.Bxc6 bxc6=

as an example of how black's piece play against the weakened centre pawns should be run.

I think I will try to take a chess free week now, so I won't act as a forum go between for awhile... Besides, most of the lines given at the swedish forum wouldn't need any translation anyway, but here's a quick list of useful words:

vederläggning - refutation
skum - murky
konstig - strange
gardera - defend
kass - lousy
bondecentrum - pawn centre
damen - the queen
trevlig(t) / otrevlig(t) - nice / (the opposite of nice)
inte kollat - not checked

but if you know some english and german, it shouldn't be too hard to guess most of what's written...
  
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Re: The North Sea Defence
Reply #9 - 06/27/05 at 04:49:24
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In MNb's line with 7 ...de 8 fe, might 8 ...Nc6 be an improvement?
  
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