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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #25 - 06/22/07 at 10:50:38
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 06/20/07 at 15:25:42:
Dji,

I have no idea what you mean.  Could you please explain what you meant by "+1"?


it mean i'm agree with cma6
  

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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
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Dji,

I have no idea what you mean.  Could you please explain what you meant by "+1"?
  
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #23 - 06/16/07 at 11:51:42
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[quote author=cma6 link=1122021033/15#22 date=1181616101


Why commit with 3 Nf3? If you like the Exchange QGD, then play 3 Nc3, Nf6; 4 cxd to limit Black's choices and aim for Nge2 with great flexibility.
If 3...Be7; then 4 cxd, exd; 5 Bf4 which is another very respectable Exchange Var. for White.
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #22 - 06/12/07 at 02:41:41
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[quote author=Max link=1122021033/0#0 date=1122003032]I like to play exchange variation in queen's gambit, but sometime i have to face 1.d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. nf3 nf6 4. cd5 n:d5.
What is the best plan now for white?

And, above all, when is good for white to exchange? on 3. or on 4. move?


Why commit with 3 Nf3? If you like the Exchange QGD, then play 3 Nc3, Nf6; 4 cxd to limit Black's choices and aim for Nge2 with great flexibility.
If 3...Be7; then 4 cxd, exd; 5 Bf4 which is another very respectable Exchange Var. for White.
  
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #21 - 08/24/05 at 04:40:17
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You're pretty much right, except that depending on how early Black plays Bf5, White may have to face some sort of Baltic Defense which may be difficult to face. 


Yes, Baltic and a skewed version of Slow Slav with Bf5 crossed my mind while posting. But I thought mentioning them may not serve the intended purpose.
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #20 - 08/24/05 at 01:53:58
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Castlerock,

You're pretty much right, except that depending on how early Black plays Bf5, White may have to face some sort of Baltic Defense which may be difficult to face.  (See the thread on the Baltic for some ideas for White.)

Although I play Exchange variations with and without Nf3, I prefer to play it without.  Even though Kasparov scored numerous successes with Nge2 instead of Nf3, it continues to surprise my opponents.  Of course, I also play other systems than the Exchange to keep things fresh.
  
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #19 - 08/24/05 at 00:23:44
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Yes, you are right. I think is better to exchange from 4th move, in fact in my last games i played 3. nf3 nf6 4. cd.



If you are playing, 3.Nf3 anyway, for 3...Nf6 I suggest you play 4.Bg5 to increase pressure on d5, 5.Nc3 for the same reason and 6.cxd5. Earlier ...Bf5 can be met by Qb3.
  

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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #18 - 08/23/05 at 07:16:32
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Hi Max, to your second question....

I would not  exchange to early, especially not in the 3ed move. Black get many good extra options here. For instance 1.)d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3cd ed 4. ......c6 5........Bd6 6......Ne7, or stright 5....Bf5.


Yes, you are right. I think is better to exchange from 4th move, in fact in my last games i played 3. nf3 nf6 4. cd.

  
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #17 - 08/12/05 at 07:21:55
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Hi Max, to your second question....

I would not  exchange to early, especially not in the 3ed move. Black get many good extra options here. For instance 1.)d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3cd ed 4. ......c6 5........Bd6 6......Ne7, or stright 5....Bf5.
  
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #16 - 07/30/05 at 02:56:09
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I hope sweet above all Wink.
Ok, seriously....My problem was above all to play with a d4-e4 center, because in this way i have to play in a more dynamic way, and i'm not so able to do it. So i was finding a way to avoid that variation. Of course for all the players maybe playing with such center is a dream, but not for me Embarrassed (i'm not so strong).
My friend joked me for 10 minutes Undecided, and after he showed me a victory of Keres on Fine (Ostenda 1937) with the correct strategy.

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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #15 - 07/29/05 at 20:41:18
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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #14 - 07/29/05 at 18:52:16
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First of all, thanks for all your answers. I Studied the positions after cd4 N:d4 with a 2000 points friend of mine and finally i understood that positions rising after are nothing for black.

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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #13 - 07/26/05 at 00:41:10
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6.e3 stops 6...Bf5 because of 7.Qb3 forking d5 and b7 pawns. But, doesn't it encourage lasker manouver with ...Ne4? I don't have a board or database near me and it's just my impression reading my post.
  

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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #12 - 07/23/05 at 23:30:22
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I'd rather play an early c6 followed by Bf5 than 7...Nbd7 and voluntarily shut my queen's bishop in. But your move order is interesting, I have not considered it before. If Black does not want to play some Slav Defense nor some Bb4 line, only 4...Be7 is left and after 5.cxd5 capturing with Nxd5 looks suspicious again. So 5...exd5 and the position after 6.Nc3 is well known - c6 is possible again:
a) 7.e3 Bf5 is equal.
b) 7.Qc2 g6 is similar to the 6.Bf4 line I mentioned in my previous post. It is not clear to me, how White can take benefit of having the bishop on g5.
What intrigues me, is if White can play more precisely with 6.e3 first. The examples I have found, were not very clear to me.
  

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Re: Move order in QGD Ex Variation
Reply #11 - 07/23/05 at 02:13:42
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Yes, MNb. My bad. After Smyslov_Fan's and MNb's posts I just want to make one point.  Early c6, particularly after white commits to Nf3 is not a great idea, imho, ...Bf5 not withstanding. True, its the only idea semi-slavers have but a regular QGD player will be better off without moving the c pawn till white commits to 0-0.

The idea is with c6 and if white plays 0-0-0, black has to reach c5 in two moves. After 3.Nf3 most critical move order is 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Nc3 0-0 7.e3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 Re8 9.0-0 Nf8 and only then c6. Any comments?
  

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