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Re: DoubledPawns Benoni
Reply #61 - 02/18/08 at 22:42:07
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DoubledPawns wrote on 02/16/08 at 23:57:58:
Hi, what do you think of 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 c5 3.a3!, with the idea of 3...cd4 4.b4!. At least here White can win back the d4-pawn.

And 1.d4 e6 2.a3!? doesn't look at all bad for White either.


Dude,

I sometimes play this move order on the Internet Chess Club. The other line, 1 d4 e6 2 a3!? looks interesting. Will have to try it out.
  
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Re: DoubledPawns Benoni
Reply #60 - 02/16/08 at 23:57:58
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Hi, what do you think of 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 c5 3.a3!, with the idea of 3...cd4 4.b4!. At least here White can win back the d4-pawn.

And 1.d4 e6 2.a3!? doesn't look at all bad for White either.
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #59 - 02/16/08 at 11:17:24
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What have you got against my suggestions?
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #58 - 02/15/08 at 12:54:32
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DoubledPawns wrote on 02/15/08 at 05:07:15:
I am looking forward to seeing these games! And if they're 5-minute games, then all the better Grin.

5.c3 dc3 6.Qb3! - now this is a flash of genius Shocked. Anyway, I looked in the ChessVille archives on the home page, but it only showed archives from 2004 onwards.

I found the Weekly Archives from Volume 2 Issue 9 (March 2nd 2003) to Volume 7 Issue 4. I am too lazy to check all the 2003 issues (I don't play the Benoni - just waiting for Lev's next brilliant idea Wink), so would he be able to find the link, since otherwise we will be unable to compete with his encyclopedic files on his gambits Grin

By the way, maybe 3...e5 4.Ne5 Bb4 5.c3 dc3 6.Qb3 should be renamed the Zilbermints Attack of the Zilbermints Counter-Gambit of the Zilbermints Gambit of the Zilbermints Benoni Cool


Cut the joking!

Now get off your lazy ass and do some research! Type in "Zilbermints Benoni" and it should come up.
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #57 - 02/15/08 at 05:07:15
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I am looking forward to seeing these games! And if they're 5-minute games, then all the better Grin.

5.c3 dc3 6.Qb3! - now this is a flash of genius Shocked. Anyway, I looked in the ChessVille archives on the home page, but it only showed archives from 2004 onwards.

I found the Weekly Archives from Volume 2 Issue 9 (March 2nd 2003) to Volume 7 Issue 4. I am too lazy to check all the 2003 issues (I don't play the Benoni - just waiting for Lev's next brilliant idea Wink), so would he be able to find the link, since otherwise we will be unable to compete with his encyclopedic files on his gambits Grin

By the way, maybe 3...e5 4.Ne5 Bb4 5.c3 dc3 6.Qb3 should be renamed the Zilbermints Attack of the Zilbermints Counter-Gambit of the Zilbermints Gambit of the Zilbermints Benoni Cool
  

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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #56 - 02/15/08 at 04:58:33
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DoubledPawns wrote on 02/14/08 at 10:34:55:
After 1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 cd4 3.b4, what about 3...e5? After 4.a3, Black can play 4...d6 protecting the e5-pawn, which protects the d4-pawn. In spite of this, I am sure that with best play White is completely winning  
Grin, but I cannot really prove it.

But when Fritz 25 is released, we will see that White is winning Grin


The Tamarkin Counter-Gambit, 3...e5, is very tactical. Its Accepted version goes 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4 e5 4 Nxe5 Bxb4+ 5 c3 dc3        6 Qb3! when the line divides into 6...c2+ 7 Qxb4 cb1/Q 8 Rxb1  and 6...Qe7  

I therefore strongly suggest you look up my 2003 article in the Chessville Weekly online archives. I analyzed it pretty well there.

As for 3...e5 4 a3, the Tamarkin Counter-Gambit Declined,
well... It is not often encountered, though I have seen a few games with it. In the position, Black's d-pawns are weak, and White has compensation.

I will post some games here later.
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #55 - 02/14/08 at 10:34:55
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After 1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 cd4 3.b4, what about 3...e5? After 4.a3, Black can play 4...d6 protecting the e5-pawn, which protects the d4-pawn. In spite of this, I am sure that with best play White is completely winning  
Grin, but I cannot really prove it.

But when Fritz 25 is released, we will see that White is winning Grin
  

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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #54 - 12/19/07 at 10:07:34
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Poor knowledge of the theory? I am not sure if you need to know any theory Tongue.

Reply to A) What happens when I play 4...a5 5.b5 d6 and 6...e5 and then develop like a Najdorf? Also, I can play 3...e6, where 4.dxc5 Bxc5 5.b4 Be7 can lead to a Hedgehog Position.

Reply to B) Again, I will just play 4...e6. I dont see what you have. And regarding your comment about White playing e4, White cannot play that easily because the black knight is already developed to f6. Nbd2 is a really weird move in the Wing Gambit...

Reply to C) 3.d5 leads to Benoni, 3.e3 leads to Colle and 3.g3...I don't know what this is called, but Black's position is okay.

And one more thing. After 1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 cxd4 3.b4 e5 4.a3 (following your moves), I can play 4...d6 again, developing like a Najdorf (Nf6, Be7, Be6, Nbd7, d5 etc)

  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #53 - 12/19/07 at 07:32:07
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sssthepro wrote on 12/18/07 at 05:55:48:
Wondering, why not play 2...Nf6 after 2.Nf3 if you play the Benoni. You have the chance to transpose. If White plays 3.b4, just take the b4 pawn and transpose into Wing Gambit. I believe that Black is better here, rit?


This shows your poor knowledge of the Zilbermints Benoni theory. After  1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 Nf6 White has several options:

A) 3 a3! and now if 3...cxd4 4 b4! leads to a good variation of the Zilbermints Benoni.

B) 3 b4!? cxb4 4 a3 can either lead to a Sicilian Wing Gambit after White plays ...e4 or an independent line if he does not.

C)  Other regular moves : 3 d5, 3 e3, 3 g3 ... Your choice if you want to veer away from the Zilbermints Benoni.
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #52 - 12/19/07 at 07:07:31
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Of course, I believe that Black is better in any of the variations, but since he keeps claiming that he has analysed the Zilbermints Benoni to a great deal and that only he knows the theory in a OTB game, I just want to show that there is a way to transpose into something people are familiar with.
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #51 - 12/18/07 at 12:22:19
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Are you implying he's not better everywhere ?
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
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Wondering, why not play 2...Nf6 after 2.Nf3 if you play the Benoni. You have the chance to transpose. If White plays 3.b4, just take the b4 pawn and transpose into Wing Gambit. I believe that Black is better here, rit?
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #49 - 12/16/07 at 17:34:25
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I have no idea who Nemeth is, but if it works for him, why not?
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #48 - 12/15/07 at 21:45:58
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I'm disappointed in you, Uberdeker; you really do seem to be forgetting your openings theory. The main line after 1. e4 h5 2. d4 is of course 2...e5! as debuted by Eduard Nemeth: http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/honor.htm
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #47 - 12/15/07 at 17:25:05
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Magnificient ! Your 2. ...g6 is an important novelty. I hope to see it analysed in the next Informator. But what of the Main Lines 2. ...h4 and 2. ...c6 ? Could you teach us something about them, please ?
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