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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #46 - 12/14/07 at 20:33:15
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Well, after 1 e4 h5 2 d4 g6 3 Be3 Bg7 it looks like some sort of Pirc to me. Of course Black will have to Castle on the Queenside.
  
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Reply #45 - 12/14/07 at 10:34:39
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He's Back!!!

Lev, how about starting a thread on 1. e4 h5 so we can analyse some topical theory together ?
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #44 - 12/14/07 at 05:10:40
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CraigEvans wrote on 09/09/07 at 18:19:13:
I wish I could Bibs, but that would break the Moderator Ethical Actions Treatise (MEAT) that all of us have sworn to protect.

However, 4.a3 Nc6 5.c3 Nf6 6.cxd4 e4 7.Ne5 Bd6 (or 7...d5) and I'd still rather have the black pieces - a nice cramping pawn on e4, better development, and some queenside weaknesses to play against.

Anyone for the main lines?  Grin


Let me see, what is the problem when I play 1 d4 and expect 1...c5  ?

First, almost no one plays 1...c5 against me in regular tournaments.
That is something I have no control over. Secondly, when I do have someone play 1...c5 against me, I have no control over what type of player -- novice or Master -- is playing that move. Thus, it is not fair to say that my opponents are all patzers or easy players.

That said, let me present the first game in some time...

ZILBERMINTS - JARRET ESPOSITO
U2000 Tournament
Mineola, Long Island
40/80; SD/60

10 December 2007

ZILBERMINTS BENONI

1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4

After the game, my opponent said that he had never seen this move before! Neither have any of my opponents...

3...e6 4 a3 Be7 5 Nxd4 Bf6 6 Bb2 Nc6 7 e3 Qb6 8 c3 Ne7

Okay, now Black wants to pressure the d4-square...

9 Nd2 d5 10 Be2 Bd7  11 00 Rc8 12 Rc1 e5?!

This move blocks the Bf6. Perhaps 12...00 should have been considered.

13 Nxc6 Nxc6 14 c4 d4 15 c5 Qd8 16 Ne4 00 17 b5 Nb8?

Now White is effectively a piece up with the superior position.

18 exd4 exd4 19 Nxf6+ Qxf6  20 Qxd4 Qxd4 21 Bxd4 Bf5 22 Rfd1 a6
23 a4 Rfe8  24 Be3 Re4  25 Bf3 Re7  26 Bf4 axb5  27 axb5 Rce8
28 h3 Bd7??

A big mistake. Now White wins a piece.

29 Bd6! Re6 30 Bxb8 Rxb8 31 Rxd7 b6 32 Rcd1 g6 33 c6, Black resigns.




  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #43 - 09/10/07 at 05:57:30
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1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4 e5

Now you give 4 a3 Nc6 5 c3 Nf6 6 cxd4 e4 and here, for some stupid reason, I see 7 Ne5? which is indeed okay for Black. However, what you overlooked is
that after 4 a3 Nc6 5 c3 Nf6  6 b5! regains the pawn. The point is that the c3-pawn blocks ...Qa5+ , allowing the Nc6 to be chased away. Play might continue:

4 a3 Nc6 5 c3 Nf6?  6 b5! e4  7 bc6 exf3 8 cxd7+ Bxd7 9 exf3 dxc3 10 Nxc3 Qa5 11 Bd2 000 12 Be2 and White is all right here.

I checked out other lines after 6 b5, which are complicated. White ends up regaining the material and finishing development, viz:

7 bc6 ef3 8 ef3 dxc6 9 Qxd4 Qxd4 10 cxd4 Be6 11 Be3 000 12 Nc3 Bd6 13 Be2 Rhe8 14 00 Kb8 15 Rfd1

What I should point out to you is two key points:

(1) I do not decide who plays 1...c5 against my 1 d4.  In all the games I have played, very few people play 1 d4 c5 on move one.

(2) In the OTB tournaments I play in -- and I have played against everyone from novice to Grandmasters -- the lines you show are possible... but are not played by my opponents, for the most part. Now, Internet Chess Club, that's a different story altogether! For some reason, I see more 1 d4 c5 and 1 Nf3 c5
2 d4 cxd4 3 b4 (I use the second option as well, too) than in 12 years of OTB play with the Zilbermints Benoni.

Finally, it's almost 2 a.m. here, so I have to go to sleep. I will post more games and analyses later.
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #42 - 09/10/07 at 03:26:43
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Your opponent has a peak rating of under 1700, and is what?  15?  I think what we're looking for is analysis--variations that stand up to scrutiny.  I appreciate that this nonsense provides subjective chances (so does going all-in with a 2 & 7 off-suit in Texas Hold 'em before the flop).  But it would be great to see some rigorous analysis.  I want to believe...
  

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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #41 - 09/10/07 at 00:42:57
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Stop complaining that I don't post any games. Here is a recent game:

Zilbermints - Mazur, Konstantin
Westfield Chess Club
Westfield, New Jersey, U.S.A.
June 10, 2007
G/30

ZILBERMINTS BENONI

1 d4 c5  2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4! e6 4 a3 d5  5 Nxd4 Nc6  6 Bb2 Be7  7 Nxc6 bc6 8 Bxg7
Bf6 9 Bxh8 Bxh8 10 c3 Ba6 11 e3 Bf1  12 Kf1 a5 13 f3 ab  14 Kf2 bc  15 Qc2 Qh4+  16 g3 Qh6  17 Nxc3 Qg7  18 Ne2 Ne7  19 Ra2  Rc8  20 Qc5  Kd7  21 Rhb1
Qe5  22 Rb7+ Rc7  23 Rab2  Qxb2 24 Rxb2 Bxb2  25 a4 Be5  26 a5 Bd6  27 Qc2
Ra7  28 Qxh7  f5  29 h4  Ra5  30 h5 Ra8  31 h6 Rg8  32 Qxg8! Nxg8  33 h7! , Black resigns.
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #40 - 09/09/07 at 18:19:13
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I wish I could Bibs, but that would break the Moderator Ethical Actions Treatise (MEAT) that all of us have sworn to protect.

However, 4.a3 Nc6 5.c3 Nf6 6.cxd4 e4 7.Ne5 Bd6 (or 7...d5) and I'd still rather have the black pieces - a nice cramping pawn on e4, better development, and some queenside weaknesses to play against.

Anyone for the main lines?  Grin
  

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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #39 - 09/09/07 at 17:44:43
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Mr Evans.  Dont waste any more of your time replying to such fluff. Delete?
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #38 - 09/09/07 at 16:09:32
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After 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4 e5! White has the alternative 4 a3!? instead of 4 Nxe5.
  
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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #37 - 09/09/07 at 15:27:19
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I've been looking at that post for 45 minutes almost, trying to work out if there was a hidden point to it. Under any criteria I can discern, it doesn't; viz.:
i) It adds nothing to the previous discussion
ii) It doesn't provoke reaction, thought, interest, nor entertain in any way.
iii) It fails to address previous questions raised, most notably my own question asked over 18 months ago.

I'm sure that it should be perfectly fine to just delete a post like this completely; however, I'll cut you a break Lev. My question remains, after 3...e5 4.Nxe5 Nc6, what do you propose white plays?

A) 5.Nxc6 dxc6 6.a3 Nf6 7.e3 a5 8.Qxd4 Qxd4 9.exd4 axb4 10.Bd3 Nd5 and I already prefer black's position.
B) 5.Nd3 Nxb4! (Under Lev's previous examples, capturing an undefended pawn is worth the "!") 6.c3!? (The only way to justify this as a gambit) dxc3 7.Nxc3 Nf6 8.e4! almost forced me to change my opinion on this line, until I found 8...Bd6!, intending ...a6 and ...Qc7-b8 with play as in a Kan. 9.Nb5 looks like the critical move, but black can seemingly walk a tightrope by means of 9...Nxd3+! 10.Bxd3 Be5 11.Ba3! d6 12.Rc1 O-O 13.Qd2 a6! 14.Nc7 Ra7 intending ...b5, when black is still a pawn up, castled, and white is struggling to prove compensation.

Further, I checked out your articles and couldn't supress my laughter at you giving 1.d4 c5 2.b4 cxd4 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.a3 g6 a "?" for black. Absolutely pathetic (and unfounded - unless you class beating up on a 1750 USCF player as justification) abuse of a move which is perfectly sound and logical:

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4...g6?  This is similar to my game against NM Ilan Kreitner, below.  The game Zilbermints-Bauer (2140 FIDE, 1750 USCF) Queens Futurity Tournament, continued 5 Nxd4 Bg7 6 Nxc6 bc6 7 c3 a5 8 Bb2 ab 9 ab Rxa1 10 Bxa1 Nf6 11 e3 Nd5 12 Qb3 00 13 Bc4 Bb7 14 00 Qa8 15 Nd2 Qa7 16 Bb2 Qb8 17 Nf3 Nf6 18 Be2 d6 19 c4 Bc8 20 Nd4 Bd7 21 Bf3 Rc8 22 Bc3 e5 23 Nc2 Be6 24 e4 Nd7 25 Ne3  h5 26 Qc2 Nf6 27 Rd1 g5 28 Be2 Rd8 29 b5 cb 30 cb g4 31 Qd3 Ne8 32 Bb4 Bf8 33 f3 Nf6 34 Bc3 gf 35 Bxf3 Ng4 36 Bxg4 Bxg4 37 Nxg4 hg4 38 Bxe5! Re8 39 Bd4 Qb7 40 Re1 d5 41 Qg3 f5??  42 ef5!  Rxe1+ 43 Qxe1 Bg7 44 Qe8+ Kh7 45 Qg6+ Kg8 46 f6 g3 47 Qxg7 Qxg7 48 fxg7 gh2+ 49 Kxh2 Kf7 50 b6, Black resigns, 1-0.


Black's play up to move 16 was far from exlempary - however, black still has an edge until this point in my view, and more pointedly, 16...Nxe3! 17.fxe3 d5! is a strong combination which gives black far better chances. Further, instead of mucking around with 7...a5, 7...d5 8.Bb2 Nf6 9.Nd2 e5! looks better to black for me - white can fiddle around on the queenside all he likes, while black takes the centre.

These lines are fun to look at at first, but threads which have died for a reason being resurrected by Lazarus D. Zilbermints gets boring. Especially when the resurrecting post is completely pointless.
  

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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #36 - 09/09/07 at 07:35:20
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I'm back!!! Will post games soon. Keep in touch!

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Reply #35 - 03/07/06 at 08:57:57
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I can't offhand recognise any lines that it could transpose into. Of course, I could be wrong. And I've read your article before - there's no transposition into anything there that I can see.

As for winning some games with it - 2.Nf3 isn't exactly the most common move after 1...c5, and I've never faced 3.b4 OTB or in blitz, so I think it's quite unlikely that I'll get to face it. However, thinking back to the criteria that I remember for having an opening named, I believe that in the absence of any games whatsoever it's the first player who mentions the move and provides analysis of it. To this note, I will try to provide some analysis later. My impression, however, is that black already has an edge after 1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 cd 3.b4 e5!? 4.Nxe5 (! - LDZ, however, I don't think that capturing an undefended pawn deserves this praise) Nc6!? (winning the b4 pawn or forcing the exchange of knights on c6, which after 5.Nxc6 dxc6 leaves black with the strong cramping pawn on d4, a semi-open e-file, an attack on the b4 pawn (which will almost certainly need to be defended by 6.a3) and freer development due to his space advantage. White's trumps: Erm... I'm not entirely sure, I don't like white's position. I suppose he can look to attack black's advanced pawn with c3 or e3, but it seems slow and pleasant for black.

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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #34 - 03/07/06 at 06:01:13
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An interesting idea...assuming it does not transpose to already well-known lines. Chessville published an article 3 years back, in 2003, about the Tamarkin Counter-Gambit. You want to check it out?
As for naming...  OK, but first you have to win some games with your 4...Nc6 line.
  
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Reply #33 - 03/06/06 at 18:55:54
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On a much more serious note, after 3...e5!? (I think ?! is unfair) 4.Nxe5, 4...Nc6! (Which I want dubbed the Evans Variation of the Tamarkin Countergambit, Zilbermints Benoni (Or EVTCGZB)) is a much stronger reply, and I feel black can preserve an edge after both 5.Nxc6 dxc6 and 5.Nd3 Nxb4.

I don't have time for games at the moment between my job, my MSc in Maths and running a chess club. However, if you wish to play an e-mail/forum game then I would be more than happy, since 3.b4 is not quite so ludicrous and, if faced with this OTB (which is possible since I do play 1...c5), I might well choose this line for black.
  

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Re: ZILBERMINTS BENONI, 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!
Reply #32 - 03/06/06 at 09:26:20
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Also, I would like to point out the underestimated Double Zilbermints anti-Tamarkin Zilbermints Benoni Zilbermints Gambit (or DZATZBZG), which arises after 1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 cxd4 3.b4 e5?! 4.g4!??!!?

Also, the Zilbermints Defence to the Zilbermints Benoni (ZDZB), 1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 cxd4 3.b4 b5, deserves close attention. This can also arise via a 1.Nf3 move order, viz. 1.Nf3 b5 2.d4 c5 3.b4 cxd4!?

I do not have a child yet, but when I do, he will be writing a pamphlet on the former.  Grin

  

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