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Reply #33 - 08/19/05 at 20:21:53
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Somthing i like for similar reasons that top notch gives is the Kings indian attack. It can be played by any temprament. rather subtle or blunt as hell. I like it because no matter how im feeling i can play it. I must admit i am a theory addict and i love the lopez and if i was looking for a quick weapon to bring home points it would be the exchange variation or the spanish four knights. but the kia is a quick learn.
  
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Reply #32 - 08/11/05 at 08:48:27
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Why would you want to teach anyone to push their f-pawn?
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Well, we all have our pet opinions...

Anyway, the following game example indicates that it could be worth the time to study the KG at an early age, so you won't play like this recent high rated encounter:

Gashimov,V (2594) - Graf,A (2605) [C34]
15th ETC Gothenburg SWE ( 8 )  06.08.2005

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Nh5 5.Bc4?! d5 6.Be2? White could at least captured en passant as now he's just a whole tempo down on one of the main lines... 

White is a 19 yo with an impressive rating, but doesn't it look like he skipped a lesson on the Open Games? Wink
  
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Reply #31 - 08/07/05 at 15:44:56
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[quote] Sorry about not responding to your query Glen, nevertheless I see you got some feedback. I have not looked at 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 0-0 in a while, but 4...0-0 is certainly not a mistake or inaccuracy. What the 4...0-0 move-order does is force White to abandon any f4 ideas and choose other more sedate paths, namely 5.Bg5 or 5.Nf3 with a more or less balanced struggle in prospect.  Topnotch [/quote]

Quite alright!  One can't always expect to get all the answers for free (or right away).  After 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 0-0, I suppose Black might try a setup with ...c6 to stop any Nd5 ideas.
  
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Reply #30 - 08/05/05 at 14:55:03
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Wow, somehow I failed to add this topic to my notify list and thus missed a lot of the action. Grin

Sorry about not responding to your query Glen, nevertheless I see you got some feedback. I have not looked at 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 0-0 in a while, but 4...0-0 is certainly not a mistake or inaccuracy. What the 4...0-0 move-order does is force White to abandon any f4 ideas and choose other more sedate paths, namely 5.Bg5 or 5.Nf3 with a more or less balanced struggle in prospect.

Now I would like to address some of the suggestions put forward to Smyslov_Fan as would be replacements/upgrades from the Danish Gambit.

1) Ponziani Opening - This is a dead end, no future in it so don't waste your time teaching it as a repertoire weapon, unless from the black side.

2) Goring Gambit, Scotch Gambit, Max Lange, Vienna Gambit: These are all fun against unprepared opponents, but against booked up opponents are totally useless. Dead End.

3) Belgrade Gambit - See my protracted debate with Bruce Monson somewhere on here. Long story short, another dead end, it simply lacks enough scope for an improving youngster.

4) Giouco Piano - Not a bad choice, but you will need answers to the Petroff and a slew of weird and whacky Gambit attempts by black though. Provided you have covered the bases the Giouco is another Opening that can serve a player for life.    

5) Kings Gambit - The positions are way too absurd to teach a youngster systematically as a repertoire choice. Stay far away from it, you can always return to the Kings Gambit later if you are still her Coach.

6) Scotch Game - Not a bad choice, but I think youngsters should be introduced to systems where building a classical pawn centre (c3, d4, e4) is still an option. It is with this type of centre that White retains the best chance of a sustainable advantage.

The advantage of the Bishop's Opening lies in its scope, and with it it is possible to learn how to play every type of 1.e4 e5 position, Closed or Open. It is the kind of Opening that should be included in any good 1.e4 e5 Repertoire.

Regual practicioners of The Bishop's Opening include: GM John Nunn, GM Victor Bologan, GM John Emms, GM Sergey Kudrin, GM Nikola Mitkov and new recruit GM Sergey Tiviakov.

Hey John Emms beat Vishy Anand with the Bishop's Opening when they were both jnrs, could you want a better endorsement than that.  Cheesy

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Reply #29 - 08/05/05 at 10:09:49
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Another question could be, what other openings could benefit from knowledge of this open game - e.g. the KG prepares you for Dutch type of positions, as well as anything with the f-pawn advanced, e.g: Grand Prix Attack, Closed SI.

Why would you want to teach anyone to push their f-pawn?
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Reply #28 - 08/05/05 at 09:51:17
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In fact, I expect to have to make some serious changes to the way she plays the Sicilian as well.


Yes, and the very best way for a 1200-rated player, or indeed a 1700-to-1800-rated one, to play the Sicilian Defense is not to play it.  White has enormous leeway already on move two, and most of the non-open replies make it very difficult for Black to take the initiative (by contrast after 1...e5, just one poor move by White produces a role reversal).  Even if White plays the Open Sicilian, the only sound method by which Black can obtain a more or less open position is the Sveshnikov, which I think is too sophisticated for players at this level. 

I've taught many young players, and I simply would not have a student who didn't answer 1. e4 with 1...e5.
  

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Reply #27 - 08/05/05 at 03:15:39
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Another related question could be, what open game offers the most diversity? And in that case the KG is hard to match I think.

Another question could be, what other openings could benefit from knowledge of this open game - e.g. the KG prepares you for Dutch type of positions, as well as anything with the f-pawn advanced, e.g: Grand Prix Attack, Closed SI.

The Ruy could be useful for understanding pawn chains and closed benonis, though the KID/Full Benoni as black would also do that. I'm not sure if the other open games would be useful in other openings, since I have to little experience with them. I find the Scotch interesting, but it's probably a bit too advanced strategically for a young player.

Anyway, maybe the rest of her repertoire (or intended rep) should be considered when choosing her open game?  Undecided
  
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Reply #26 - 08/04/05 at 22:16:00
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Urusov recommended the Urussoff Gambit. Problem is, that 4...Nf6 directly transposes to the Two Knights Defense again.
If Smyslov's fan really wants to avoid slow manoeuvring, then the Bishop's Game indeed is not a good idea. One suggestion not made yet: the Vienna with 3.f4!? This is theoretical OK for Black, but can lead to interesting open positions.
  

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Reply #25 - 08/04/05 at 15:10:01
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In that case I really suggest the Italian complex (just dont play it with d3). There is no better way of learning about combinational ideas combined with learning about the use of the center and the initiative in my completely objective Grin opinion.
You can alway downgrade later to the bishop's opening  Wink as it is imo a bit more sophisticated to be able to generate the pressure play you'd want, not to mention the focus on move orders.

As an aside. How many kids do you teach and in what range (Elo not that US system)? I did it a couple of years back for kids from 6-12, but didnt do much with openings, more with combinations. I am thinking of taking it up again, but it takes up a lot of time.
  

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Reply #24 - 08/04/05 at 13:35:34
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Thank you all for your suggestions! Cheesy  You have given me a great deal to think about. Smiley

As I expected, several of you recommended the King's Gambit, which may make for a nice secondary or tertiary choice.  I was surprised by the large number of suggestions to play the Bishop's opening.  Your vocal support of this opening will make me re-evaluate it.

I have to admit that the Bishop's Opening with an early d3 doesn't appeal much to me, and the recent article by GM Susan Polgar in Chess Life makes it even less appealing.  Markovich states my opinion on the system better than I could myself!  8)

I didn't give the student's rating or playing level because it might have biased your thoughts on how realistic her goal of being state champion is.  Her current rating is only about 1200, but she is definitely talented and I believe I can help her to boost her playing level to around 1700-1800 in just one year (though I don't plan to make such an ambitious claim to her father Lips Sealed).  One of her stated goals is to win the State Championship, and to do that one has to be able to play at least one tournament at or close to USCF master strength (about 2100 FIDE).

In order to be a State High School Champion, one had better be ready to learn some theoretical lines.  Even if those theoretical lines are known only by a handful of players (such as in the Bishop's Opening), a strong player has to be able to form opinions about established lines.

I don't mind teaching my students how to face other openings such as the Petroff's (which isn't seen much in this state) or Latvian or any of a host of other openings.  In fact, I expect to have to make some serious changes to the way she plays the Sicilian as well.  Tongue

If I do choose the 2.Bc4 lines, it will be probably be purely as a transitional opening for her until we can learn some of the more complicated lines of another opening well.

Again I thank you all, and I hope you keep making suggestions!  I will have to make up my mind next week and I'll keep you posted on whatever progress we make. 8)
  
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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #23 - 08/04/05 at 11:04:58
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May I suggest the Urusoff Gambit (also spelled "Urusov")?   Grin  It goes 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d4.  Likely your student has the book "Danish Dynamite" on the shelf which offers good coverage, especially of better Danish transpositions.

The line receives fairly good coverage by GM Susan Polgar in her latest Chess Life column (August 2005, pp. 36-37).  After reading her article, I decided to post a complete Urusov bibliography at my blog:

http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2005/08/urusoff-urusov-gambit-b...

I think it will score well through 2100 range, at which point it is still about equal and therefore a safe choice against stronger players.  In fact, almost all strong players transpose to the Two Knights Defense (1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nf3 Nc6), so once you learn the basics of the Urusov you can just focus on that line.
  
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Reply #22 - 08/04/05 at 10:50:09
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Hi,

I have a new student who wants to stop playing the Danish (which I think is a good idea ~ probably why her parents chose me) and move to openings that score better against the best high school players in the state (1800-2200 USCF). 

I was planning to recommend the Scotch Gambit as a reasonable transitional opening (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.c3), but 4...Nf6! is supposed to lead to immediate equality while 4...d5!? may even give Black a slight edge.

So  I was thinking of just going straight into the Scotch proper, but I don't have much practical experience playing this on the White side in serious games.  I prefer Black after 4.Nd4 Bc5 5.Nc6 Qf6!  Lips Sealed

This leaves me in a quandry.  Do I recommend a system that is still somewhat popular but that I don't believe in, or do I find something else?  This student needs an opening that is not the Spanish.  Shocked

I am looking for a theoretically sound opening that is sharp, dynamic and fun.  What openings do you recommend that fits this description???


You haven't said what this player's own rating is (nor, so far as I can see, has anyone asked)!  It would be helpful to know something about her strengths and weaknesses, but what most players at this level need to learn are (a) tactics (b) theoretical endings and (c) how to play wide-open positions, all of which are quite fundamental.  All also are much more important than choice of opening system.

Systems that have good theoretical repute are not necessarily the best ones for young, developing players to play.  Indeed, the theoretical merit of the line chosen has very little to do with the outcome of games of chess at this (or probably any) level.  If this player isn't able to score well against players with ratings 1800-2200, I am sure that it has much less to do with her choice of opening than with her merits as a player.

The Danish Gambit is a pretty good practical choice for players below 2000 and excellent for a young player's chess education, notwithstanding that it is somewhat unsound; likewise the Goering, the Smith-Morra and the Blackmar-Diemer Gambits.  Only if this player were so formidable that people prepared for her would I fret very much over the objective soundness of her systems.

I also think that the King's Gambit, particularly with 3. Bc4, is a fine choice for players at this level (and, if it makes any difference, it is probably also sound). 

I would not have a player below 2000 playing "open" systems that in fact do not lead to an early opening of files, examples being the Spanish, the Guioco Piano with d3 and the Bishops Opening with an early Nf3.  These often produce slow, maneuvering games, which are not very useful vehicles for learning chess fundamentals.  On the other hand, the Scotch Four Knights leads to all sorts of interesting, open play. 

Although I agree that 4...Nf6! is a fully adequate theoretical answer to the Scotch Gambit, that certainly would not stop me from recommending that system to a young player.  The chess that results from 4...Nf6  5. O-O is quite interesting, and good for teaching what a player at this level should know.

With the Black pieces, all young and developing players should answer 1. e4 with 1...e5, and all should play the Two Knights Defense.  Versus 1. d4, 1. c4 and 1. Nc3, the Tarrasch is the best way to insist upon a more or less open position.
  

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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #21 - 08/04/05 at 10:34:00
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I dunno about the bishop's opening. never tried it before. But somehow I feel kinda weird even thinking abt it cos it violates that law abt developing kts before bishops.

So much so that even in my KG games my 3rd move is Nf3. 3.Bc4 just seems too weird despite what TJ has outlined & recommended in his new book. Some kinda psychological or intellectual block on my part most likely.

perhaps its time for a paradigm shift on my part Undecided
  

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Reply #20 - 08/04/05 at 01:51:37
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It seems most people here agree you would need to select a system where the bishop goes to c4, be it the KG, bishop's opening, Vienna or the Giuoco.

BtW Mnb Tsjigorin claimed he had played that exact same game four times before iirc
  

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Reply #19 - 08/03/05 at 22:07:47
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In addition to Willempie's post about the danger of castling too early, I want to give a fantastic game, which is not in my database:

Knorre - Tsjigorin, 1900

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 d6 5.o-o? (questionmark by Pachman) d6 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bh4? g5 8.Bg3 h5! 9.Nxg5 h4 10.Nxf7 hxg3 11.Nxd8 Bg4! 12.Qd2 Nd4 13.Nc3 (13.h3 Ne2+ 14.Kh1 Rxh3+!!) Nf3+ 0-1.

To be honest, I am not sure if 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 o-o 5.Nf3 or 5.Bg5 is best. But you have got the idea: Black has castled, White won't.
  

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Reply #18 - 08/03/05 at 18:56:48
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Thanks MNb and Willempie for answering my subquestion.  I'll definitely be trying out those variations for the times I lack the courage to play the King's Gambit (which contrary to TopNotch's post is actually a forced win -- it's just hard to remember all the analysis. Roll Eyes  ).
  
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Reply #17 - 08/03/05 at 08:32:36
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MNb isn't 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 0-0 supposed to be more precise than 4...c6?  After 4...0-0 5.Nf3 now Black can play 5...Nc6 which I thought was solidly equal.  Is there a way for White to maintain some kind of initiative here.  (Or pose some problems?)  I don't know the theory on this old system.  Does 0-0 somehow prematurely commit Black or does it give him more flexibility (...d6 or ...d5 in one go for example).  Or is this not what you meant at all?   Smiley

The variation you give 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 0-0 5.Nf3 Nc6 I often got against stronger players by transposition (from the TK). It is a real point scorer for white. 6 Bg5 and now black should play 6 .. Be7 (or Bb4), but in my experience almost never does and plays 6 .. d6 (sometimes with 6..h6 7 Bh4 flicked in) and then is in big trouble after 7 Nd5. Basically you're playing a giouco piannissimo (Canal variation), where black has made the huge error of castling too early. He should only castle when either white has castled or when the Bg5 Nd5 moves are out of the air or harmless.
Check the game Larsen-Kuzmin from 1978 as one of the very rare examples of this variation, where black plays the best moves but still gets mopped up by Bent Larsen.

@Mnb the variation you give with the black gambit on the e5 variation is indeed the most dangerous for white, but I think it was discussed in an older thread.

PS for the "Italian repertoire" there is a book from Harding titled "Evans gambit and a system against the Two knights" from 1996. It gives a complete repertoire for white after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4. It is quite well written and gives enough analysis, also on the basic questions which always pop up when starting on a new variation (like what to play after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 d4 Nxe4?). It is a bit dated on the main variations (like Mnb's variation), but not that dated as the variations are not really favourites among the grandmasters.
  

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Reply #16 - 08/03/05 at 05:30:27
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1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 0-0 might be imprecise because of 5.Bg5!? and White can delay castling.
  

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Reply #15 - 08/02/05 at 23:46:18
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I am going to have to agree with Top Notch on this one.  For anyone under 2200 it is a great opening with lots of opportunities to play calm (standard play with d3) or wild (Urussoff Gambit - 1.e4e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d4 or the Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit - 3.Nf3  N xe4 4.Nc3 for example) You could also play for a transposition into many of the Vienna lines as suggested by Emms in Attacking with 1.e4.  All versions lead to either fireworks in the opening or a complex middle game with most pieces still on the board. 

One of the things I really like about the opening is that it leads to a lot of transpositions to the Two Nights.  Of course that  is a very reputable defence (maybe even the best possible one to most of the setups) but only if black knows what they are doing.  If they have been tricked into it and don't know the opening, they can die very quickly.

I have played almost all of the versions at one time or another and enjoyed them all.  Good sources for study would be Emm's book as mentioned above which also gives a complete repertoire to other defences or The Bishop's Opening Explained by Gary Lane which seems to cover virtually every possible transposition (even including the Evens gambit.)   As many people have said elsewhere, if your goal is to become grandmaster strength, you might do better learning the Spanish.  For the rest of us though, I highly recommend the Bishops Opening.
  
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Reply #14 - 08/02/05 at 23:27:23
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Incidentally, (and I know this is sorta off track of the original topic, but if one chooses the Bishop's Opening as the more "respectable" opening then it is also sorta on track) in his interesting "Grandmaster Secrets: Openings", Soltis recommends the following variation for White as "Low maintenance, low risk".  1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Nc6 4.Nc3 Bc5 5.Nf3 d6 6.Na4!? (Soltis' marks) 6...Bb6 7.c3 Be6 8.Bb5 0-0 9.Bxc6 bxc6 10.Bg5.  He doesn't attach any evaluation at the end but clearly he at least thinks it gives White a little something to play for.
  
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Reply #13 - 08/02/05 at 23:20:36
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MNb isn't 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 0-0 supposed to be more precise than 4...c6?  After 4...0-0 5.Nf3 now Black can play 5...Nc6 which I thought was solidly equal.  Is there a way for White to maintain some kind of initiative here.  (Or pose some problems?)  I don't know the theory on this old system.  Does 0-0 somehow prematurely commit Black or does it give him more flexibility (...d6 or ...d5 in one go for example).  Or is this not what you meant at all?   Smiley
  
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Reply #12 - 08/02/05 at 22:55:40
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Some posters recommend an Italian repertoire with 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.e5. I have very good results with the Black gambit with d5 6.Bb5 Ne4 7.Nxd4 Bc5! Against 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Black can try b5 6.Bf1 Nd4. This is the kind of opening Smyslov_Fan should teach her pupil to play with Black, not with White.
So I largely agree with TopNotch. Glenn, I have solved the 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 (4.Nf3 d6 5.c3 c6 is a dull symmetrical line) c6 problem: 5.Nf3 is an Italian with colours reversed. It is one of the slow lines though and Black can hold equality with some precise play.
The King's Gambit of course also sprang to my mind, but is a bit sophisticated these days. And on her level she might meet quite often irregular side lines, which means that she has to do a lot of study without much chance to apply it.
  

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Reply #11 - 08/02/05 at 16:00:08
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Btw it was this webpage that got me interested in the Ponziani http://www.gambitchess.com/ponz.htm.

Hmmm...Can't remember any threads on the Ponziani here however.... I thought all openings had been discussed by now  Wink
  
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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #10 - 08/02/05 at 12:35:15
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I agree with TalJechin on the King's Gambit option.

Alternatively, how about the Moller Attack of the Giuco Piano or the Evans?? If black chooses to play the 2 kts defense, i think its also an interesting game especially if black allows the Fried Liver.
  

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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #9 - 08/02/05 at 12:16:32
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I've played the Bishop's Opening quite a lot but what is the best way to proceed after 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5?  Didn't you (Topnotch) show that 4.Nc3 0-0 5.f4 was weak due to 5...exf4 6.Bxf4 c6?  Should White try 4.Nf3 and c3 here?
  
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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #8 - 08/02/05 at 11:47:02
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Ok, my turn now.  Grin

Teach her the Bishop's Opening, that will solve all your problems as her Coach, and her parents will be so impressed that they will probably give you a raise.

The Bishop's Opening has tremendous scope for all kinds of chess styles and temperments. It canbe played with the Caveman like bluntness of a Gambiteer or with the subtle nuance of a Karpov. As a bonus the Bishop's Opening side steps the currently popular and annoying Petroff and is also useful as a way of introducing gambit happy youngsters to the more reliable and enduring methods of the Rolls Royce of all 1.e4 e5 Openings, the Ruy Lopez.

The Bishop's Opening constitutes a repertoire for life as its Bullet Proof, You can add other Openings to your arsenal, but you will never have to discard this faithful friend when times get hard.

You ever have those moments when you simply don't want to face your oppenents Marshall Attack to the Ruy Lopez. Perhaps you are not in a mood to face the Elephant Gambit or Latvian Gambit either, in those cases simply wheel out the all purpose Bishop's Opening and you are on your way.

Currently the Bishop's Opening is Sergey Tiviakov's weapon of choice, not a bad endorsement I would say, and for what its worth I give it my seal of approval too.  8)

No need to say it...... your'e welcome.

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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #7 - 08/02/05 at 11:34:38
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I am unsure how the USCF translates into ELO, but I am guessing it is around 1700.
So if you want something sharp yet reliable I would recommend the Italian complex (1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4). On the Two knights play the variation Photophore recommends, On 3.. Bc5 you can play main line Giouco or the Evans. It will involve some work naturally, but those systems are quite tactical and have many common themes. If you feel uncomfortable with one line you can also switch quite quickly to a more sound or agressive system without having to rework the rest.
  

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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #6 - 08/02/05 at 06:12:07
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You can choose Scotch gambit , but the true one :
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 ,that usually leads to
4 d4 variation of 2 Knights Defense , by 4...Nf6 ,
and now "modern" variation 5 e5 fulfills every of your requirements
  
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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #5 - 08/02/05 at 05:45:43
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As a former Danish specialist I can tell you, that it is not a good idea to switch to the Göring Gambit (the Scottish Gambit is 4.Bc4). As the resulting positions are similar, it make no sense to me either, to play some Classical Italian Gambit/Max Lange either.
I would suggest either the Belgrade Gambit - beneath there is a big thread on it - or the Bishop's game. The latter contains some slow variations though.
  

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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #4 - 08/02/05 at 05:23:28
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I would go directly for the Spanish - an opening likely to be useful for the rest of his career. But maybe the Worrall  attack (the 5.Qe2 version)may be a useful transitional tool. Similar ideas - slightly different variations. Have a look at Tiviakov's games with it.
  

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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #3 - 08/02/05 at 03:46:25
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Well, the KG would be a natural upgrade from the Danish, but if that doesn't suit her, why not just play the Two Knights / Max Lange complex? You'll need something for the Petroff, but that goes for most of the alternatives anyway...
  
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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #2 - 08/02/05 at 03:24:39
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Scotch Gambit.....
I thought the point was that she was going away from gambit-play?

Spanish....
It can't be the spanish because too much theory??

If my assumptions are correct, I will recommend the Ponziani!. Smiley
It is sound, unusual and quite dangerous if black isnt really prepared for it. Im no expert, but have tried it occasionally in blitz.

BUT u also have to prepare the petroff... Sad
  
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Re: Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" ga
Reply #1 - 08/02/05 at 03:10:54
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Well, there is the King's Gambit of course ... But if you are trying to steer them away from always gambiting pawns, the Vienna / Bishop's Opening complex is good - and has the benefit (like the KG) of avoiding the Petroff (not that I have anything against the Petroff, I should add).
  

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Danish gambiteer switching to "respectable" games.
08/02/05 at 01:53:08
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Hi,

I have a new student who wants to stop playing the Danish (which I think is a good idea ~ probably why her parents chose me) and move to openings that score better against the best high school players in the state (1800-2200 USCF). 

I was planning to recommend the Scotch Gambit as a reasonable transitional opening (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.c3), but 4...Nf6! is supposed to lead to immediate equality while 4...d5!? may even give Black a slight edge.

So  I was thinking of just going straight into the Scotch proper, but I don't have much practical experience playing this on the White side in serious games.  I prefer Black after 4.Nd4 Bc5 5.Nc6 Qf6!  Lips Sealed

This leaves me in a quandry.  Do I recommend a system that is still somewhat popular but that I don't believe in, or do I find something else?  This student needs an opening that is not the Spanish.  Shocked

I am looking for a theoretically sound opening that is sharp, dynamic and fun.  What openings do you recommend that fits this description???
  
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