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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #23 - 10/16/15 at 16:50:56
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Stigma wrote on 10/07/15 at 12:26:22:
Surely he means the Scorpion Kan though?


Yes, the Kan Sicilian is named after Ilya Kan while the Caro Kann is named after Marcus Kann.
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #22 - 10/07/15 at 16:41:01
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JEH wrote on 10/07/15 at 16:11:40:
Stigma wrote on 10/07/15 at 12:26:22:
Surely he means the Scorpion Kan though


I've never heard of the Scorpion Kann [sic]

Is it just something named as such in this article?

Probably, I haven't heard of it before either.

But the article is definitely about (his particular interpretations of) the Kan Sicilian. A bit strange to research an opening and write a long article without managing to get its name right. How accurate is the analysis then, I wonder?
  

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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
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Stigma wrote on 10/07/15 at 12:26:22:
Surely he means the Scorpion Kan though


I've never heard of the Scorpion Kann [sic]

Is it just something named as such in this article?
  

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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
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Surely he means the Scorpion Kan though? I notice the analysis pdf is dated 2010, but quite a lot has happened in the Kan since then.
  

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Reply #19 - 10/07/15 at 12:10:17
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Intriguing stuff, thanks.
More intriguing still is that the author is a self-styled "anarcho-capitalist chessmaster and songwriter". Quite a combo.
http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/

Reminds me of a language student in class, many years ago:
"My hobbies are smoking and basketball"
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #18 - 10/07/15 at 11:57:15
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I picked up "The Lazy Man's Sicilian" and was not too thrilled by the positions with the ...Bc5 line for Black.  But I really appreciated the last chapter of the book which covers 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 a6!? which is I line I have explored from both sides of the board.  The analysis here is first rate and very helpful.  It also fits well with a Black repertoire built around The Scorpion Kann, which is well discussed online:
http://www.ozarkia.net/chess/articles/theory/ScorpionKannSystem.html
http://www.ozarkia.net/chess/pdf/ScorpionKann.pdf
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #17 - 08/16/15 at 11:37:14
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Dennis Monokroussos in his enjoyable Chess Mind blog writes that its more a lazy system for white, than for black;

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The "Lazy Man's Sicilian" is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5. If you meet this with 5.Be3 Qb6 6.b4! Black will be very unhappy, e.g. 6...Qxb4+ 7.c3 Qb6 8.Nd2 (8...d6? 9.Nc4 Qd8 10.Nb5+-) 8...a6 9.Qg4 with a clear or almost clear advantage. Work on this variation with your computers a bit, and you can happily disregard the other 221 and 3/4 pages of the book if your only concern is how to face the "Lazy Man".


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In the interest of benefiting prospective non-buyers playing White against this nuisance system I'll carry the line a bit further: 9...Kf8 10.Qg3 d6 11.N2b3 Nf6 12.Nxc5 dxc5 13.Nb3 Nbd7 14.f3. White is a pawn down but has the bishop pair, targets, a safer king and will soon enjoy a threatening lead in development. Black isn't losing, but his position is both objectively and subjectively unpleasant. Worse still, White's research time is negligible, while Black has to worry about 200+ pages worth of material.

White lived happily (and lazily) ever after.

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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #16 - 08/13/15 at 12:27:06
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katar wrote on 08/12/15 at 00:07:55:
Free chapter excerpt concludes that the White system is extremely dangerous and Black must memorize precise moves to survive. 
"This line is a very aggressive one and it requires great care and accuracy from Black."
"Whatever his intended line, Black must be thoroughly prepared in this variation."
Sounds perfect for the lazy player.  Can I have another margarita?


This reminds me about Aagaards DVD on the Queens Indian
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #15 - 08/13/15 at 10:01:46
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Bibs wrote on 08/12/15 at 03:19:38:
I rather wonder if the book is updated from the original German, and to what extent. the excerpt had no recent games cited.


I spotted a reference or two to games in 2008. There is a game between 2100 players in the British 4NCL, one of whom appears, from a database search, a relative specialist in the variation.

Ten years ago, the starter of this thread was asking for an English translation. It appears that's more or less what's been delivered with a handful of additional games and some insights from Matthew Sadler. There's a potential overlap with the Grivas Sicilian in .. Qb6 lines.
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #14 - 08/12/15 at 03:19:38
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To be fair though, the majority of players do not know this line at all. Have played this hundreds of times online, and I'd say that over 95% of the time the response to Bc5 is Nb3. Playing OTB, had Be3 too, though white quickly went wrong.

It is a good club line, it's true.

I rather wonder if the book is updated from the original German, and to what extent. the excerpt had no recent games cited. Saw Giddins had chucked in some comments, but I do not rate his input highly (bluntly - he is low rated, weaker than me, not being rude, that's just the way it is), unlike that of the original author, whose many works I have really liked - perceptive and thorough, and well-constructed.
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #13 - 08/12/15 at 00:07:55
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Free chapter excerpt concludes that the White system is extremely dangerous and Black must memorize precise moves to survive. 
"This line is a very aggressive one and it requires great care and accuracy from Black."
"Whatever his intended line, Black must be thoroughly prepared in this variation."
Sounds perfect for the lazy player.  Can I have another margarita?
  

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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #12 - 08/11/15 at 13:38:51
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RdC wrote on 08/11/15 at 12:39:06:
For the want of anything better, perhaps White could just follow Morphy from 1857 against Paulsen and Tinman from 1974 against Basman, both of whom went:

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nb3 Bb6 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. Bf4 O-O 8. Bd6 f5 9. e5

Basman lost the game with his Bishop on c8 and Rook on a8, having been unable to break the d6 blockade.

From the sample pages, it looks like Bronznik gives 7...0-0 a ?! and recommends 7...d5. I don't know if this leads to other problems for Black.
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #11 - 08/11/15 at 12:39:06
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Glenn Snow wrote on 07/20/15 at 01:34:27:
There are a couple of variations that I think Black needs some serious improvements on.  Not sure I'm willing to buy the book to find out.


Sample pages are at
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/9019.pdf

Looking at who plays these lines for either colour, there's a remarkable shortage of top GMs.

For the want of anything better, perhaps White could just follow Morphy from 1857 against Paulsen and Timman from 1974 against Basman, both of whom went :-



Basman lost the game with his Bishop on c8 and Rook on a8, having been unable to break the d6 blockade.
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #10 - 07/20/15 at 01:34:27
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Glenn Snow wrote on 07/14/15 at 21:33:25:
It looks like you're getting your wish Zarvox.

https://www.newinchess.com/The_Lazy_Man_s_Sicilian-p-9019.html


There are a couple of variations that I think Black needs some serious improvements on.  Not sure I'm willing to buy the book to find out.
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #9 - 07/14/15 at 21:33:25
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It looks like you're getting your wish Zarvox.

https://www.newinchess.com/The_Lazy_Man_s_Sicilian-p-9019.html
  
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Reply #8 - 08/23/05 at 18:01:50
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to Topnotch : Bronzniks 'reply' to 7. ed5:!?   :
"Auf der suche nach etas anderem fand ich... Da5!?
Eine interessante und sehr kämpferische Forsetzung - Schwarz will beweisen, dass die Randposition des gegnerischen Springers auch ihre Schattenseiten hat."
I actually bought the book after a short e-discussion with Keilhack (the editor) about one variation deemed the killer-move, from which it became clear that my correspondent puts the stakes for his publications much higher than is 'usual'.
For those who still hesitate to buy a book in German : you could get the gist of the above quote, couldn't you ? So...


Thanks Strap, very insightful post.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #7 - 08/23/05 at 14:23:52
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to Topnotch : Bronzniks 'reply' to 7. ed5:!?   :
"Auf der suche nach etas anderem fand ich... Da5!?
Eine interessante und sehr kämpferische Forsetzung - Schwarz will beweisen, dass die Randposition des gegnerischen Springers auch ihre Schattenseiten hat."
I actually bought the book after a short e-discussion with Keilhack (the editor) about one variation deemed the killer-move, from which it became clear that my correspondent puts the stakes for his publications much higher than is 'usual'.
For those who still hesitate to buy a book in German : you could get the gist of the above quote, couldn't you ? So...
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #6 - 08/16/05 at 23:04:12
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Thanks for the replies.

alumbrado - according to the Watson review, the book gives 3.Nc3 a6 4.d4 (4.g3 b5!?) 4...b5!? 5.d5 Bb7 rather than transposing into the Kan, which you correctly point out would stop being a Lazy Sicilian.

lnn2 - I've considered getting the Raetsky book, but am not sure I like the Four Knights variation.

TopNotch - Thanks for posting that game. I'd also like to know what Bronznik says about this line. White does look better after 6. Na3 d5 as in the game, and 10. Nf5 instead of 10. b4 looks strong to me. Still, maybe there are improvements for Black, and I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to call it a refutation.
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #5 - 08/11/05 at 20:54:28
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Is anyone else interested in an English translation of Bronznik's Sizilianisch für Müßiggänger (Sicilian for the Lazy)? It seems like a very interesting book on the Basman-Sale variation 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5.

There's a very positive review by Watson at http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jw/jw_Sicilian_for_the_Lazy.html

And information on the book at Kania's website http://www.kaniaverlag.de/

Now, you could say why not just make the effort to understand the German version... but that would then hardly be Sicilian for the lazy. Smiley

I emailed Harald Keilhack about this and he said he had not decided, but that I was the first person to express an interest in an English version of the book.

So, is anyone else interested? Does anyone have any thoughts about the book, or about the Basman-Sale in general?


A German GM told me recently that this line is refuted by 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3! Qb6 6.Na3!. He cited the following game in which the little known IM Osvaldo Zambrana missed his chances:

  [Event "Capablanca Mem Mixto"]
[Site "Havana CUB"]
[Date "2002.??.??"]
[White "Zambrana,O"]
[Black "Araque,R"]
[Round "8"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2389"]
[BlackElo "2365"]
[ECO "B40"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Qb6 5. Be3
Bc5 6. Na3 d5 7. exd5 exd5 8. Bb5+ Bd7 9. O-O
Nf6 10. b4 Bxb4 11. Rb1 Qa5 12. Nb3 Qd8 13. Bc5
Bxc5 14. Nxc5 O-O 15. Nxb7 Qc7 16. Bxd7 Nbxd7 17. Qd3 Ne5 18. Qg3 Ne4 19. Qf4 f6 20. Rb3 Rab8 21. Rfb1
Nc3 22. Nb5 Rxb7 23. Nxc3 Rxb3 24. Rxb3 d4 25. Qxd4
Rd8 26. Rb7 Rxd4 27. Rxc7 Rd2  1/2-1/2

What does Bronznik have to say about all this and perhaps more importantly what says the forum.

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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #4 - 08/11/05 at 06:42:48
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I will also be happy to see Bronznik's Sicilian for the Lazy in English.

One book that made a good impression on me is Raetsky's Meeting 1. e4. The repertoire featured is pretty lazy too: simply e7-e6 and d7-d5 against anti-sicilians like Grand Prix and the Closed Sicilian. As a caro/french player i felt totally at home!
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #3 - 08/11/05 at 03:52:50
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This is true, although there are some low-theory options against 3.Bb5 - in particular the Grivas Sicilian player is liekly to be attracted by the slightly under-rated 3...Qb6!?

Also the would-be Lazy Sicilian player has to have something in store against 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3!? - not an uncommon move order.

It may be that the "prescription" after the normal move order 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Nc3 is to play 5...a6, in which case 3.Nc3 can be met by 3...a6, but to my mind that stops being a Lazy Sicilian and becomes a Kan - certainly it is covered in John Emms' (very good) book on the Kan.
  

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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #2 - 08/11/05 at 03:36:01
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I'm don't know much about the Grivas Sicilian, but it looks like the book is pretty dense in analysis, and I'm not too fond of him naming each variation after a Greek god or goddess. Smiley

Also, 2...Nc6 allows the Rossolimo, which the lazy Sicilian player would probably like to avoid.
  
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Re: "Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
Reply #1 - 08/11/05 at 03:15:18
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Well, they might have been beaten to it by another 'Lazy' (by which I assume is meant that there is no need to study vast amounts of theory) Sicilian, as Gambit have just published A Complete Guide to the Grivas Sicilian by Grivas himself (although I'm not sure he can really lay claim to the variation as I'm sure it had been played before he came along!).
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904600360/qid%3D1123747920/202-4432135...
This says it has yet to be published, but BCM already has it as in stock in its website.
  

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"Sicilian for the Lazy" in English?
08/10/05 at 19:25:43
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Is anyone else interested in an English translation of Bronznik's Sizilianisch für Müßiggänger (Sicilian for the Lazy)? It seems like a very interesting book on the Basman-Sale variation 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5.

There's a very positive review by Watson at http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jw/jw_Sicilian_for_the_Lazy.html

And information on the book at Kania's website http://www.kaniaverlag.de/

Now, you could say why not just make the effort to understand the German version... but that would then hardly be Sicilian for the lazy. Smiley

I emailed Harald Keilhack about this and he said he had not decided, but that I was the first person to express an interest in an English version of the book.

So, is anyone else interested? Does anyone have any thoughts about the book, or about the Basman-Sale in general?
  
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