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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #21 - 10/31/11 at 20:25:20
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This is an entertaining variation, but it can happen only if Black goes for more than the dead equal positions after 5...Be7. I'd rather spend my time studying something else- this is of purely academical value.
  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #20 - 10/09/11 at 20:58:18
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MartinC wrote on 10/09/11 at 18:51:15:
Fascinatingly modern idea 15 h5, and certainly not mad positionally. Still think you'd need to be a computer to be fully happy with 15 .. e4 16 Kf1 Smiley (16 Bxf4 not seeming to quite work.).

Then somehow no obvious 19th century kill but waiting for a move or two with 16 .. g5 (or maybe ed first, not sure) seems fine. Not entirely obvious what white should do next there. Counter sacs on f4 almost rational.


Well, yeah, I wouldn't want to play White after 15 ...f5. The problem seems to really come up with a plan. It has to be - get the pieces out! In this case, the knight on d4 is really hindering everything. That's why I probably would choose 15.c3
  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #19 - 10/09/11 at 18:51:15
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Fascinatingly modern idea 15 h5, and certainly not mad positionally. Still think you'd need to be a computer to be fully happy with 15 .. e4 16 Kf1 Smiley (16 Bxf4 not seeming to quite work.).

Then somehow no obvious 19th century kill but waiting for a move or two with 16 .. g5 (or maybe ed first, not sure) seems fine. Not entirely obvious what white should do next there. Counter sacs on f4 almost rational.
  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #18 - 10/09/11 at 18:47:36
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Markovich wrote on 10/09/11 at 17:54:19:
fling wrote on 10/09/11 at 14:29:22:
Markovich wrote on 10/09/11 at 13:41:43:
fling wrote on 10/09/11 at 08:26:52:
OstapBender wrote on 10/09/11 at 03:44:58:
I'm not sure there is really a consensus on 11.Nxb6, and it's definitely not universally endorsed.
For instance, just last year Abby Marshall wrote about this move:
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The desperado Nxb6 to nab an extra pawn is not such an important idea. By leaving the knight on a8, White makes Black use a move to capture the knight and in some cases, the knight can escape.

The Openings Explained, November 2010

When I played this line as White I preferred leaving the knight in the corner, even after seeing NCO's exclam for 11.Nxb6.


I have to say, in general, I am not sure I trust Abby's analysis.



It would be more forthcoming to say why you disagree with her opinion in this case.  If you catch her in what you believe to be a mistaken conclusion you should email her, since I know she would appreciate hearing about it.


That is true, sorry, it was a stupid comment. I will get back with variations if I find any and not just a general comment!


I don't mind seeing them here, but send them to Abby as well.  She's a busy kid, but I'm sure she would be interested.  We learn something every day.


Well, I should re-phrase it. Trust is not the right word, maybe not rely on is a better explanation. I do read all her columns and like what she is trying to do. I guess the problem is that she has too little space to cover openings, which means sometimes she'll miss lines that might be important.
  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #17 - 10/09/11 at 17:54:19
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fling wrote on 10/09/11 at 14:29:22:
Markovich wrote on 10/09/11 at 13:41:43:
fling wrote on 10/09/11 at 08:26:52:
OstapBender wrote on 10/09/11 at 03:44:58:
I'm not sure there is really a consensus on 11.Nxb6, and it's definitely not universally endorsed.
For instance, just last year Abby Marshall wrote about this move:
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The desperado Nxb6 to nab an extra pawn is not such an important idea. By leaving the knight on a8, White makes Black use a move to capture the knight and in some cases, the knight can escape.

The Openings Explained, November 2010

When I played this line as White I preferred leaving the knight in the corner, even after seeing NCO's exclam for 11.Nxb6.


I have to say, in general, I am not sure I trust Abby's analysis.



It would be more forthcoming to say why you disagree with her opinion in this case.  If you catch her in what you believe to be a mistaken conclusion you should email her, since I know she would appreciate hearing about it.


That is true, sorry, it was a stupid comment. I will get back with variations if I find any and not just a general comment!


I don't mind seeing them here, but send them to Abby as well.  She's a busy kid, but I'm sure she would be interested.  We learn something every day.
  

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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #16 - 10/09/11 at 15:18:42
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What about plans with an earlier c3, for example? The knight on d4 looks very strong, and if it takes on b3, White might have chances on the a-file. The question is if the knight has a good square even at f5. I found a game, Larsen-Michalek, 1995, that might be an improvement for White:


Or what about 15. h5!? I don't think it is the strongest, but Houdini suggested it and it makes some sense I guess.
  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #15 - 10/09/11 at 14:29:22
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Markovich wrote on 10/09/11 at 13:41:43:
fling wrote on 10/09/11 at 08:26:52:
OstapBender wrote on 10/09/11 at 03:44:58:
I'm not sure there is really a consensus on 11.Nxb6, and it's definitely not universally endorsed.
For instance, just last year Abby Marshall wrote about this move:
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The desperado Nxb6 to nab an extra pawn is not such an important idea. By leaving the knight on a8, White makes Black use a move to capture the knight and in some cases, the knight can escape.

The Openings Explained, November 2010

When I played this line as White I preferred leaving the knight in the corner, even after seeing NCO's exclam for 11.Nxb6.


I have to say, in general, I am not sure I trust Abby's analysis.



It would be more forthcoming to say why you disagree with her opinion in this case.  If you catch her in what you believe to be a mistaken conclusion you should email her, since I know she would appreciate hearing about it.


That is true, sorry, it was a stupid comment. I will get back with variations if I find any and not just a general comment!
  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #14 - 10/09/11 at 13:41:43
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fling wrote on 10/09/11 at 08:26:52:
OstapBender wrote on 10/09/11 at 03:44:58:
I'm not sure there is really a consensus on 11.Nxb6, and it's definitely not universally endorsed.
For instance, just last year Abby Marshall wrote about this move:
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The desperado Nxb6 to nab an extra pawn is not such an important idea. By leaving the knight on a8, White makes Black use a move to capture the knight and in some cases, the knight can escape.

The Openings Explained, November 2010

When I played this line as White I preferred leaving the knight in the corner, even after seeing NCO's exclam for 11.Nxb6.


I have to say, in general, I am not sure I trust Abby's analysis.



It would be more forthcoming to say why you disagree with her opinion in this case.  If you catch her in what you believe to be a mistaken conclusion you should email her, since I know she would appreciate hearing about it.
  

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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #13 - 10/09/11 at 08:26:52
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OstapBender wrote on 10/09/11 at 03:44:58:
I'm not sure there is really a consensus on 11.Nxb6, and it's definitely not universally endorsed.
For instance, just last year Abby Marshall wrote about this move:
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The desperado Nxb6 to nab an extra pawn is not such an important idea. By leaving the knight on a8, White makes Black use a move to capture the knight and in some cases, the knight can escape.

The Openings Explained, November 2010

When I played this line as White I preferred leaving the knight in the corner, even after seeing NCO's exclam for 11.Nxb6.


I have to say, in general, I am not sure I trust Abby's analysis.

  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #12 - 10/09/11 at 03:44:58
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I'm not sure there is really a consensus on 11.Nxb6, and it's definitely not universally endorsed.
For instance, just last year Abby Marshall wrote about this move:
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The desperado Nxb6 to nab an extra pawn is not such an important idea. By leaving the knight on a8, White makes Black use a move to capture the knight and in some cases, the knight can escape.

The Openings Explained, November 2010

When I played this line as White I preferred leaving the knight in the corner, even after seeing NCO's exclam for 11.Nxb6.
  

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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #11 - 10/08/11 at 17:56:22
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This might have been an influential game, I suppose, but (as one of the comments below the game suggests) you'd like to know what had been happening in correspondence play for the evaluation to change.
  
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Reply #10 - 10/08/11 at 17:47:48
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Indeed, it's Game 1 in that book, and there's a note: "Suffice to say that in 1974 11 d3 was most highly regarded, while more recently opinion has swung towards 11 Nxb6."
  
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Re: C27: Frankenstein Dracula Attack
Reply #9 - 10/08/11 at 14:28:51
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Several encyclopedias from the 1990s and 2000s like Nxb6, with NCO (Nunn) giving it an exclam.

I seem to recall the F-D being involved in a game in Nunn's "Secrets of Grandmaster Play" circa 1987; could be interesting to compare. 

  
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Reply #8 - 10/08/11 at 11:55:43
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Well goodness knows but there's a rather obvious candidate to blame Smiley Especially a few years back.
  
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Reply #7 - 10/08/11 at 11:05:32
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Justinhorton wrote on 10/08/11 at 09:02:15:
Revisiting this old thread - when did Nxb6 become a good line? In ye olde days nobody used to play it, and books would comment that the pawn wasn't worth the waste in tempo involved (i.e. in not making Black take on a8).

But as I understand it, the capture is now favoured, and considered better for White. Is this right? And if so, what happened?


I have no idea about the status of this line, but just wondered where you got the idea from that the capture is now favored?
  
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