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Reply #126 - 09/10/20 at 01:49:57
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bragesjo wrote on 09/09/20 at 14:01:13:
About Ståhlbergs book yes Keres is co author. Did not notice it before. 

It is impossible to tell who wrote each comment.Ståhlberg probebly translated Keres words anyway to give the book the same word style.

Thanks. I thought maybe there was a foreword explaining how the work was shared between the authors, but I guess that's more of a modern thing to do. Though the German-language book is quite specific on who did what, with Keres analyzing opening novelties while Euwe handled the rest of the game comments.

bragesjo wrote on 09/09/20 at 14:01:13:
The book has few concrete lines and mostly verbal comments.

Not that surprising. It has roughly the same number of pages as the more well-known Zürich 1953 books even though it also covers the 1954 match. So something has to give.
  

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Re: Game collections
Reply #125 - 09/09/20 at 14:01:13
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About Ståhlbergs book yes Keres is co author. Did not notice it before. 

It is impossible to tell who wrote each comment.Ståhlberg probebly translated Keres words anyway to give the book the same word style. The book has few concrete lines and mostly verbal comments.
  
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Reply #124 - 09/08/20 at 23:01:08
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/08/20 at 20:48:26:
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Schach-Elite im Kampf
Bearbeitung der 210 Partien durch Max Euwe, mit Analysen der Neuerungen in den Eröffnungen von Paul Keres, mit Runden- und Rahmenberichten von Paul Lange.


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Världsschackturneringen Neuhausen-Zürich 1953
med kommentarer och analyser av Gideon Ståhlberg och Paul Keres


Another question is if Keres's contribution to both books is actually the same (except for translation, of course).

Good question. It's quite likely they are the same. And then the question arises whether Keres also contributed to the second part of the Swedish book - on Botvinnik vs Smyslov 1954 - or Ståhlberg wrote that part on his own. Maybe bragesjo can enlighten us on how much of the work was by Keres.

I also wondered why I didn't find any info on the Euwe book in Dutch when googling. It seems to be have been written in German. Or, if Euwe wrote in Dutch, his text was translated into German without being published in Dutch. Is there a Dutch edition of the book out there, perhaps one published later?
  

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Re: Game collections
Reply #123 - 09/08/20 at 20:48:26
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Schach-Elite im Kampf
Bearbeitung der 210 Partien durch Max Euwe, mit Analysen der Neuerungen in den Eröffnungen von Paul Keres, mit Runden- und Rahmenberichten von Paul Lange.


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Världsschackturneringen Neuhausen-Zürich 1953
med kommentarer och analyser av Gideon Ståhlberg och Paul Keres


Another question is if Keres's contribution to both books is actually the same (except for translation, of course).
  
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Reply #122 - 09/08/20 at 20:17:52
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bragesjo wrote on 07/30/20 at 18:30:08:
To many posts to read but Zurich 53 books are a bit speical. There exist no less than 4 book about it. Bronsteins version, Najdorfs version, Euwes version and Ståhlbergs version. I have manage to get lucky to own a copy of each of them. However Euwes verson and Ståhlbergs verson are not in english, Ståhbergs are in swedish and Euves version in some other language. Bronsteins vesion is the most classical of the books.

How good is Ståhlberg's book? And is the bibliographical information I just posted correct; that it is co-authored with Keres and covers both Zürich 1953 and the 1954 World Championship match, presumably in one volume?
  

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Reply #121 - 09/08/20 at 20:11:45
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/08/20 at 15:46:03:
In fact at least 5 just in English. Who knows how many in other languages? Your observed Harding/Simpole appears to be a reprint of #2 in the below link. I don't think that counts as number 6.
https://chessbookchats.blogspot.com/2016/01/neuhausan-zurich-1953-candidates.htm...


I read through the blog article and only see four independent books in English. So I guess you are counting the two translations of Bronstein separately.

So in languages other than English (original) we apparently have:

Euwe (with Keres and Lange) (1954) - German
Najdorf (1954) - Spanish
Keres and Ståhlberg (1954) - Swedish
Bronstein (1956) - Russian


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Schach-Elite im Kampf;
Turnierbuch über das Weltmeisterschafts-Kandidatenturnier, 1953, in Neuhausen am Rheinfall und Zürich;
Bearbeitung der 210 Partien durch Max Euwe, mit Analysen der Neuerungen in den Eröffnungen von Paul Keres, mit Runden- und Rahmenberichten von Paul Lange.
Lange, Paul. , Keres, Paul 1916-1975., Euwe, Max 1901-
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Zürich, Artemis [1954]
379 p.

Source: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002192759



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Världsschackturneringen Neuhausen-Zürich 1953 ; Världsmästarmatchen Moskva 1954 : Turneringsbok / utg. av Sveriges schackförbund ; med kommentarer och analyser av Gideon Ståhlberg och Paul Keres
    Keres, Paul, 1916-1975 (kommentator) 
    Ståhlberg, Gideon, 1908-1967 (kommentator)
[Stockholm] : Sveriges schackförb., 1954
Svenska 351 s.

Source: http://libris.kb.se/bib/1468723
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Reply #120 - 09/08/20 at 15:46:03
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In fact at least 5 just in English. Who knows how many in other languages? Your observed Harding/Simpole appears to be a reprint of #2 in the below link. I don't think that counts as number 6.
https://chessbookchats.blogspot.com/2016/01/neuhausan-zurich-1953-candidates.htm...
  
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Reply #119 - 09/08/20 at 13:26:24
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bragesjo wrote on 07/30/20 at 18:30:08:
To many posts to read but Zurich 53 books are a bit speical. There exist no less than 4 book about it ....


In fact at least 5 
http://www.hardingesimpole.co.uk/biblio/1843820854.htm

I once saw a copy of this secondhand at Chess & Bridge in Baker Street, London. I didn't buy it on principle (the principle of not spending money on Hardinge and Simpole's shite), but in retrospect I regret it as it was only a few pounds and in good nick. Also as it was second hand H/S wouldn't have got the money.

I do already have two of the four books you mentioned though so perhaps a third would have been greedy.


I'm very much enjoying Jimmy Adams' translation of Boleslavsky's 100 Selected Games (I think that's the title).  Great games and a very well produced book.
  

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Re: Game collections
Reply #118 - 07/30/20 at 18:30:08
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To many posts to read but Zurich 53 books are a bit speical. There exist no less than 4 book about it. Bronsteins version, Najdorfs version, Euwes version and Ståhlbergs version. I have manage to get lucky to own a copy of each of them. However Euwes verson and Ståhlbergs verson are not in english, Ståhbergs are in swedish and Euves version in some other language. Bronsteins vesion is the most classical of the books.
  
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Reply #117 - 07/29/20 at 11:57:43
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 07/27/20 at 19:42:20:

The OP asked about favorites. Your longer list has titles of interest, but they cannot all be favorites.


They are all favorites in one sense or another.  Some for sentimental reasons.  But I gave a top 10 earlier in the thread (#79).  Not sure if it would be the same today, but close enough.   Wink


  
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Reply #116 - 07/29/20 at 03:52:52
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@AOC,

I have to thank you for steering me to the start of this thread. I can't read it slowly enough. It's that good. Hope you understand.

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Reply #115 - 07/27/20 at 22:06:32
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LeeRoth wrote on 07/27/20 at 20:01:24:
When I was starting out, a local master advised me to study these three books in order (1) Morphy’s Games of Chess, (2) Alekhine’s My Best Games, and (3) Zurich 1953.  All three books were available at the local bookstore, and he claimed they were all anyone needed to see how chess developed from classical times to the modern age.

I don't think that was true even in 1953.
  
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Reply #114 - 07/27/20 at 20:01:24
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Yup, I was trying to go by player.  If you want to include tournament books or expand the list to include any type of game collection, Zurich 1953 would definitely be there.

When I was starting out, a local master advised me to study these three books in order (1) Morphy’s Games of Chess, (2) Alekhine’s My Best Games, and (3) Zurich 1953.  All three books were available at the local bookstore, and he claimed they were all anyone needed to see how chess developed from classical times to the modern age.







  
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Reply #113 - 07/27/20 at 19:42:20
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cathexis wrote on 07/27/20 at 17:53:57:
So would, Zurich 1953 not qualify as it is not one particular player's games?

Correct. See the original post. And Zurich 1953 was already mentioned in Reply #2 with the same question. Reply #3 answered.

LeeRoth wrote on 07/27/20 at 16:38:49:
The short list used to be:
  1. Tarrasch's 300 Games
  2. Alekhine's My Best Games
  3. Fischer's 60 Memorable
  4. Tal's Life and Games

That's a great short list. I first read them in the order 2, 3, 4, 1, and I rank them most favorite to least as 3, 4, 1, 2. But a large part of that has to be my very young age when I read them. For example, The Test of Time I read when I was much older, and could not separate Kasparov's personality from his writings. So if someone picks up Fischer's book today, or indeed any strong personality's book, and has a similar reaction, I can sympathize. But I think it hurt me as a player not to study Kasparov's games deeply. Anyone who ignores Fischer's games is also making a mistake.

Somewhere on the web My 60 Memorable Games was called "over-rated". This kind of criticism I dismiss out of hand. If many people rate a book as #1 and I rate it as #20, or even as #2, of course I would think it's over-rated. Saying so adds zero to the discussion. Better to give some reasons.

The OP asked about favorites. Your longer list has titles of interest, but they cannot all be favorites.
  
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So would, Zurich 1953 not qualify as it is not one particular player's games?
  
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