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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #9 - 09/20/05 at 12:00:40
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I'm not sure what you meant when you said that Sosonko recommends 4.c3.  White's already played 2.c4 and 4.Nc3 is the line under discussion.  Did you mean that Sosonko is recommending this line with Black playing an early e6?


Sorry, that should have been Nc3.
  

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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #8 - 09/20/05 at 11:59:44
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Interesting, but is there not a problem with black playing Bc8-e6/f5/g4 at some point - possibly in combination with dxc4? It seems to be that somehow deviating like that has to be better for black than entering the Catalan proper?!


Exactly.  That's why it's not a Catalan.  You can't have a Catalan without Black's pawn early on e6.  A very key Catalan idea is that if Black solidifies his center with an early c6, White soon opens the game with e2-e4.  This goes by the board with Black's queen's bishop out.

If the Catalan is in your repertoire, you still need a system against the Slav.  You can, however, avoid playing into the  Semi-Slav.  E.g. 1. d4 d5  2. c4 e6  3. Nf3 c6  4. g3 dxc4  5. Bg2 is a promising gambit; or 1. d4 d5  2. c4 e6  3. Nf3 Nf6  4. b3 c6  5. Bg2 and so forth is a Catalan main line.

Personally against the Slav, I like to exchange right away on d5.  You need to play with some technique, but so does Black.  I think that White's chances this way are as good as in the initial position.
  

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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #7 - 09/18/05 at 08:43:39
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Interesting, but is there not a problem with black playing Bc8-e6/f5/g4 at some point - possibly in combination with dxc4? It seems to be that somehow deviating like that has to be better for black than entering the Catalan proper?!
  
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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #6 - 09/18/05 at 08:22:47
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Because of the topic's title, I will propose

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3!?

I have played it a few times on ICC...
  

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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #5 - 09/11/05 at 00:26:09
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Inn, and all,

Your line looks like a Catalan.  I haven't studied it very much, and what I did study is over a decade old now.  In the QGD Meran lines, I found that Black playing an early ...b5-b4 often gives White the initiative in a very sharp position becaues it would usually give me q-side targets.   

It seems that in the Catalan, the fight for development is lost before it begins for Black if Black attacks the Nc3.  Since the Bishop is already on the long diagonal, isn't b5-b4 too provocative?  Again, I ask this out of ignorance, please help!
  
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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #4 - 09/10/05 at 02:14:46
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Sosonko dealt with  1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.g3 dc4 6. Ne5!? Can't say i'm terribly convinced, especially since semi-slav players are happy to play dc4/b5 anyway, and here White does not threaten a fierce attack as in Botvinnik/Moscow.
Recent games show White doing well though, so worth considering as a surprise.
  
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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #3 - 09/10/05 at 01:30:03
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Markovich, 

I'm not sure what you meant when you said that Sosonko recommends 4.c3.  White's already played 2.c4 and 4.Nc3 is the line under discussion.  Did you mean that Sosonko is recommending this line with Black playing an early e6?
  
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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #2 - 08/16/05 at 08:32:54
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1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.g3!?

This isn't played very often, but I am yet to find a convincing way for Black to equalise here, any thoughts? ???


I suggest you compare this to 5. Ne5 b5  6. g3 which, if I recall correctly, was tried a few times by Korchnoi.

White's Queen Knight seldom goes early to c3 in the Catalan, one reason being that it is exposed to ...b5-b4.  However in a recent NIC Yearbook, Sosonko advocated 4. c3 e6  5. g3!?.
  

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Re: early g3 in Slav.
Reply #1 - 08/16/05 at 07:11:41
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Grab and hold he pawn. That's what it's there for. White gets play but its not considere enough for advantage. If you delay play will transpose into a Slav where g3 is playd later or a Catalan. I believe that White has a definite advantage in the Catalan option if allowed to recapture the pawn.
  
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early g3 in Slav.
08/15/05 at 06:29:12
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1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.g3!?

This isn't played very often, but I am yet to find a convincing way for Black to equalise here, any thoughts? ???
  
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