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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #28 - 11/29/13 at 06:35:54
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Rc8! I think this move is better than Ne7.. 12.  Kh1 Bc5 13.  Bg5 h6 14.  Bd2 Ne7 15.  Rac1 O-O-/+ This move might be the improvement *
  
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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #27 - 11/28/13 at 12:37:10
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I think both 15.f4 and 15.Rad1 are better moves than 15.Rac1 in your line
after 15.f4 white can play Rf3 (with a possible Rg3 or Rh3 to follow), although black should still be better I think
also interesting is 12...Qh4 13.f4 Nh6
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #26 - 11/27/13 at 18:29:49
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 11/27/13 at 06:32:17:
I don't think that your 14. Rf3 is the best what is your plan with it?


If you want to argue to my post (7 years old !? ) you can do, of course...but what else you propose for White. ? (another move than 14.Rf3)

It's easy to dismiss one move without any concrete variations or ideas for both sides...For example: I didn't reply on CanadianClub last post, because woman champion's video was nice to watch and chess interesting, but my first idea is a quick Black reply ...f6!? to Nun gambit. But I have no time to analyze or search for games, hence I did'nt post because my arguments not ready.

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I just checked your posts in other threads on chesspub: only one sentence or no idea to propose...to some extend some others went much more annoyed by them:

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To help a new member (welcome! Smiley) the questions that you ask across the different threads, which tend toward the same idea (tell me what to do in line x) do tend to annoy people quite quickly. Lots of people are friendly, there is plenty of good will, and much help offered.
But it is give and take. Bring something to the table.
Offer ideas.



  

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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #25 - 11/27/13 at 06:32:17
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dom wrote on 08/20/05 at 05:14:48:
Mnb: I disagree...a) Bb5 not available because Black has a knight on c6 square b) White can't play Nc3 and cxd4 next move.

14...Bc5! is Piskov's idea, but it's not the end of the game... 15.Bxa6 (15.Bb5? Qf2 16.Bxd7+ Kxd7 17.Qg4? Nd3 Kosten and Harding ; 15.Bxh7 Qf2 17.Qxf2 Bxf2 18.Bb1 ooo! Bellet-Apicella,France 1995 (Harding or Kosten) better for Black than 18...Ke7  Blasek-Kishnev,Gelsenkirchen 1991 (MCO and Lane) with small advantage to White according to Lane - "Beating the French" after 20.Rf1) Qf2 16.Qxf2 Bxf2 Organdzijew-Drasko,Skopje 1992 (ECG) and now White can try 17.Bb5!? =

Best move for White is 14.Rf3! (and not 14.Rd1) and then 14...Bc5 (if 14...Nxd3 then White seems to have small advantage due to blockade on d4 square with he knight)  15.Be3 Qxd3 16.Bxc5 Qxe2 17.Nxe2 Bb5 18.Nd4! Nc6 19.Rc3=

At the beginning of the line: 6...Bd7 (6...cxd4 is the accurate move) is considered dubious because of  famous game Nimzowitsch-Salwe,Karlsbad 1911 (or gamesLowe-Kennedy, 1849 (ECG)  ; Nimzowitsch-Tarrasch,San Sebastian 1912 (Watson))  after the move 7.dxc5!

My best recorded line for White is Rubinetti-Ivkov, Palma de Majorque 1970 (Lane et Zlotnik)




I don't think that your 14. Rf3 is the best what is your plan with it? What will you play after 14....Rc8 N if 15. a3 then Bc5 16. Qd1 Nxd3 17.Rxd3 and Qf2...I think black is fine
  
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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #24 - 11/20/13 at 14:06:39
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The only way to try with white is the Nbd2 line, as played by Jiri Nun iirc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGs7bmXSrSE

It seems dangerous for black, isn't it?
  
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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #23 - 11/18/13 at 10:34:32
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Have a look here for MBG analysis. There is also a large database of MBG games. Smiley hullchessclub.com
  
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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #22 - 10/07/13 at 21:16:37
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SWJediknight wrote on 10/07/13 at 00:23:35:
In Play the French 4 Watson recommends 10...a6, concluding (probably correctly, in my opinion) that Black has some advantage in all lines, and says that 10...Qxe5 is good but there are claims that certain lines may not offer Black enough winning chances.


I always preferred the 10...a6 move instead of 10....Qxe5 variations despite knowing both systems. But in a6 system I replaced a later Nd3 with Bc5.
  

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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #21 - 10/07/13 at 13:31:45
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Thanks all, and, yes, I've edited my White/Black mistake.
  
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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #20 - 10/07/13 at 11:47:05
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MartinC wrote on 10/07/13 at 08:32:45:
It might even need going back to the 2nd edition.... A recent generic book on the advance perhaps? You won't find a repitoire book with it given how effective/clean a6 seems to be.

Given the lack of modern sources/good games you may well do best to analyse it with a decent computer.
(I presume that saying white is doing brilliantly is a typo for black Smiley)


@ Martin C
Perhaps this is a blind spot for you: 'Repertoire'.

Yes.
...a6 is the best way.
...Qe5 is just very tricky.
The only way to try with white is the Nbd2 line, as played by Jiri Nun iirc.
  
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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #19 - 10/07/13 at 08:32:45
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It might even need going back to the 2nd edition.... A recent generic book on the advance perhaps? You won't find a repitoire book with it given how effective/clean a6 seems to be.

Given the lack of modern sources/good games you may well do best to analyse it with a decent computer.
(I presume that saying white is doing brilliantly is a typo for black Smiley)
  
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Re: C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #18 - 10/07/13 at 00:23:35
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In Play the French 4 Watson recommends 10...a6, concluding (probably correctly, in my opinion) that Black has some advantage in all lines, and says that 10...Qxe5 is good but there are claims that certain lines may not offer Black enough winning chances.
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #17 - 10/06/13 at 21:48:56
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/20/05 at 05:54:18:
Watson recommends either 10...a6 [or] 10...Qe5 which he states "is doing brilliantly theoretically but it is more difficult in practice than 10...a6" (Play The French, Third Edition(2003) p. 53.  his opinion of the entire variation is that "White has little, if anything for the pawn." (p. 56)


Hi all, brand new member and first post here.  This old thread exactly addresses my issue -- I've been searching around looking for exactly how Black is "doing brilliantly theoretically" after 10. Qxe5.  Chessbase reveals that this is indeed a mixed bag in practice, and as mentioned in a post below, you don't see games with this gambit between top GMs.

I don't know whether IM Watson gave any analysis in his 4th edition, because I bought the 3rd ed. mere months before the 4th came out!  Angry  So if anyone knows where to find the theory on this it would be much appreciated.  Although I searched, I didn't find anything on Chesspub pertaining to this particular variation.
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #16 - 09/03/05 at 01:27:08
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Thanks, french has been a good opening to me.  Even the french exchange Smiley.  Unfortunately they have not given me my floor and I've had some bad tournaments lately, I want that floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #15 - 09/02/05 at 21:31:05
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@JE Gutman

Congrats on taking 1-2 in the U2000 National Open this year!  I guess you're a lifetime expert now!
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #14 - 08/25/05 at 01:41:20
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Who said no theory, the whole site from which this forum revolves around is an opening theory site.  I realize you're probably being sarcastic, but considering half the discussions I read on this forum you seem to be part of the 50% that doesn't think the unsound opening they play wins by force.  I forgot to mention that the Bc2 originally mentioned is already worse for white, even worse than the gambit I believe since he is either forced to give up his light squared bishop or castling rights after  e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Bd3 cd cd Qb6 Bc2 Nb4 where  Bb3 is strongly met by Bb4 when white is clearly worse.  As for the g5 push I mentioned.... when I was working in my head earlier I forgot that after Qxg5 black cannot play 0-0-0, but it is still not clear, for the record fg is close to lost after the simple Ne5, however, I believe my original idea I found over the board is quite strong, Nb4, now the point is really that Qg7 fails to 0-0-0 Rf1 (since there is no fork on the queen anymore) Nd3 Rf2 Nf2+ Kg1 Ng4+ and black is winning if Kf1 Rdg8 and black has a strong attack after Qf7 Nh2 Ke2 Rg2.  If instead of Kf1 white plays Kh1 then Rdg8 Qf7 Rg6! and due to the queen trap threat white must sac a piece, the resulting material imbalance is still quite complicated, but the position is most likely winning for black.  I've only looked at this position quickly, but I'm fairly convinced, feel free to give any improvements over this, I'm quite interested.
  
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