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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #6 - 08/20/05 at 05:54:18
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dom, 

You're right about the Nimzo-Salwe game that Watson cited, but he also implies that the evaluation was biased as a result of the game rather than because of the resulting positions.  However, the question was about the position after 10.Nc3 rather than how best to get there.

Watson recommends either 10...a6 10...Qe5 which he states "is doing brilliantly theoretically but it is more difficult in practice than 10...a6" (Play The French, Third Edition(2003) p. 53.  his opinion of the entire variation is that "White has little, if anything for the pawn." (p. 56)

I personally prefer grabbing the pawn and hanging on for dear life, but as IM Michael Mulyar once told me, I should seriously consider joining Pawn Snatchers Anonymous.  Anyway, with both a good way to accept the gambit and at least one good way to decline it as Black, I think that unless White has something specific in mind, 6.Bd3 belongs on the trash heap of chess opening history.

I think this is the main reason strong masters rarely, if ever, play it against each other.
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #5 - 08/20/05 at 05:14:48
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Mnb: I disagree...a) Bb5 not available because Black has a knight on c6 square b) White can't play Nc3 and cxd4 next move.

14...Bc5! is Piskov's idea, but it's not the end of the game... 15.Bxa6 (15.Bb5? Qf2 16.Bxd7+ Kxd7 17.Qg4? Nd3 Kosten and Harding ; 15.Bxh7 Qf2 17.Qxf2 Bxf2 18.Bb1 ooo! Bellet-Apicella,France 1995 (Harding or Kosten) better for Black than 18...Ke7  Blasek-Kishnev,Gelsenkirchen 1991 (MCO and Lane) with small advantage to White according to Lane - "Beating the French" after 20.Rf1) Qf2 16.Qxf2 Bxf2 Organdzijew-Drasko,Skopje 1992 (ECG) and now White can try 17.Bb5!? = 

Best move for White is 14.Rf3! (and not 14.Rd1) and then 14...Bc5 (if 14...Nxd3 then White seems to have small advantage due to blockade on d4 square with he knight)  15.Be3 Qxd3 16.Bxc5 Qxe2 17.Nxe2 Bb5 18.Nd4! Nc6 19.Rc3=

At the beginning of the line: 6...Bd7 (6...cxd4 is the accurate move) is considered dubious because of  famous game Nimzowitsch-Salwe,Karlsbad 1911 (or gamesLowe-Kennedy, 1849 (ECG)  ; Nimzowitsch-Tarrasch,San Sebastian 1912 (Watson))  after the move 7.dxc5! 

My best recorded line for White is Rubinetti-Ivkov, Palma de Majorque 1970 (Lane et Zlotnik)


  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #4 - 08/19/05 at 15:28:24
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First of all, 7.o-o? is incorrect because of Bb5!
Second 7.Nc3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Nxd4 9.Nxd4 Qxd4 10.o-o a6 11.Qe2 Ne7 12.Kh1 Nc6 13.f4 Nb4 14.Rd1 Bc5! and 15...Qf2 stops even the shade of a white attack.
Third 10...a6 11.Kh1 has done relatively well, but after Qxe5 the inclusion of a6 and Kh1 should benefit Black.
So thumbs down.

You might better try to revive the Alapin Gambit 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Be3 dxe4 4.f3.
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #3 - 08/19/05 at 15:15:35
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Good idea, Markovich.  Of course, the greatest exemplar of the Advanced Variation is Sveshnikov.  Maybe take a look at some of his games, too.
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #2 - 08/19/05 at 13:04:09
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10...a6 puts a stop to all White's fun.  Then White has about half a pawn's compensation for his pawn.

If you want something sharp to play in the Advance, you might look at 4. Nf3, which was upheld from time to time by Keres.  I used it myself with good effect, way back when I was an e4 player.
  
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Re: Milner-Barry Gambit
Reply #1 - 08/19/05 at 12:53:15
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I guess I don't quite understand what "theory" is.  The Milner-Barry requires both sides (if they both choose to enter the Milner-Barry) to know the line at least fifteen moves deep.  Watson and many others agree that if Black does play the Milner-Barry with his/her eyes wide open s/he'll not only survive, but thrive.   

There are several attacking ideas for White that will win against almost anyone who doesn't know what s/he's doing, but Black has the better chances if s/he does.  Do you have a specific line of the Milner-Barry that you wanted to discuss?
  
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C02: Milner-Barry Gambit
08/19/05 at 11:54:29
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What do you think of the Milner-Barry Gambit (1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 Bd7 7 0-0!? cxd4 8 cxd4 Nxd4 9 Nxd4 Qxd4 10 Nc3) as an attacking weapon against the French for white? It cuts out a lot of theory and avoids hideously boring lines like the Fort-Knox variation: 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Bd7 5 Nf3 Bc6. It seems to work especially well against greedy players who like to take the second pawn. 

White can also play safe with 7 Bc2 if he wishes.
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