I hate to answer like this, but...  Smyslov, I feel you hardly look over my line.  Castlerock did, and even I dont know if he has looked at this last one and seen it with his own eyes , but here 14... Nc6 makes a world of difference and I can't find anygame in chessbase with that move.  It is a great move from my angle and it makes great sense not to take the Nc3 , really.

Smyslov, have you looked over my line, this very last one?

1. d4 Nf6 
2. c4 g6 
3. Nc3 Bg7 
4. e4 d6 
5. Be2 O-O 
6. Bg5 c5 
7. d5 h6 
8. Bf4 Qa5 
9. Qd2 e5
10. dxe6  Bxe6 
11. Bxh6  Bxh6 
12. Qxh6 Nxe4
13. Rc1 Re8
14. h4 

I took some time to really evaluate the position here and to appreciate the trumps for Black since White's trumps were already clearly identified.  Black has valuable trumps that are stong to counter White's.  In fact, his trumps must be used immediately since they rely on the temporary weakness of White's position and his better placement.
The Weakness of White's King is just as real and exploitable as Black's Kingside.  One of the immediate weakness is that it sits on the open file.  

Other trumps for Black:  The pinned White Knight, White's weakness on the Q side which is significant only because Black can infiltrate with the Queen and find avenues of approach to Black's Kingside after the Q has caused some wreck on the Q side.  

The better placement of Black's pieces compared to
White's, and last but not least Black has a better control of the center.

There is no point really in elminating Black's well place Knight for the Nc3, so....

14....   Nc6!
15. Kf1
 
*A)15. h5 g5 16. Nf3 ....

A1)16. f4 Nd4 17. g4 (17. fxg5?? Nf5) 17... Nxe2 18. Ngxe2 Bxc4 19. f5 Nxc3

A2)16.Kf1 Nd2+ 17. Ke1 Ne4

*A)--continued--
16.....   Bf5 17. Nxg5 Nd4 18. Ngxe4 Rxe4 19. Kf1 Re6 20.Qg5+ Kh8   

*The initiative turns now to Black who has Ideas of Rg8.  And White really runs out of useful moves and is now on the defensive. *

*A) continued

21. Re1 Rg8 22.Qd2 Rge8 23. Rh4 Nxe2 24. Rxe2 Rxe2 25. Qh6+ Kg8 26. Qg5+ Kf8 27. Nxe2 Qxa2 28.g3 .... *

(28. Kg1 Qb1+ 29. Nc1 {Black is in command.  He can decide to end the game immediately or play on.  For example:} Re1+ 30. Kh2 Ke8 31. Nb3 Rh1+ 32. Kg3
Rxh4 33. Kxh4 Qe4+ 34. g4 Qh1+ 35. Kg3 Qg1+ 36. Kh3 Qh1+) 

*28... Qb1+ 29. Nc1 Qc2 30. h6 Be4 31. Qg7+ Ke7 32. Qc3 Qxc3 33. bxc3 Kf6 

And Black will use his powerful trumps, the Bishop and the a-passed pawn to play for his chances to win.

B) 
15.Nf3 Nxc3 
16.Rxc3 Bxc4 
17.0–0 Bxe2 
18.Ng5 Qxa2 
19.Qh7+ Kf8 
20.b3 Nd8 
21.Qh8+ Ke7 
22.Re3+ Ne6 
23.Qg7 Kd7 
24.Nxe6 Re7 
25.Nxc5+ dxc5 
26.Rxe7+ Kxe7 


It is White who has to play just to draw.

Going back to the Main line--

15...        Nxc3 
16. Rxc3  Qxa2 
17. Qc1   Nd4 
18. h5     Nb3 
19. Qd1  Nd4 
20. Rg3   Bxc4 
21. Bxc4  Qxc4+ 

White is in trouble

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Admittedly this is a very complicated and messy line, having said that and as a KID player myself I wouldnt touch this for Black with a ten foot pole.

You say that in the Zaichuk vs Wong game that "Black made a costly mistake there but the fact, the truth is White has absolutely nothing here". 

Your analysis does not convince me, one only has to look at the White pieces massing ominously on Black's compromised Kingside to feel that he should have something. 

Ok lets try to confirm intuition with some analysis:

1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 c5 6.d5 0-0 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bf4 e6 9.dxe6 Bxe6 10.Qd2 Qa5 11.Bxh6 Bxh6 12.Qxh6 Nxe4 13.Rc1 Re8 14.h4 Nxc3 15.Rxc3 Qxa2 16.Qc1 Qa5 17.h5 Nd7N This is your intended improvement on the  Zaichuk vs Wong game that went 17...Nc6. Fair enough, lets take a closer look to determine whether your improvement holds up 18. Kf1 Ne5  19. hxg6 Ng6 20.Rg3 Kg7 Now you fail to acknowledge that White can take a draw here by perpetual check if he likes, but in any case there is no need for that 21.b3! And Black is dead lost as there is no adequate way to meet the terminal threat of Qb2+.    

This is why I stress the importance of developing ones chess intuition as opposed to simply relying on computer generated analysis, it does not take a rocket scientist to see  that Black's position looks highly suspect and vurnerable after 17.h5. Of course one's sense of danger has to be validated with analysis, but time and again the maxim if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are its a duck proves to be correct.

I suspect that your main source of reference is An Opening Repertoire For The Positional Player - Gufeld & Kalinichenko , this is not a bad repertoire book as far as repertoire books go but it is filled with analytical mistakes and ommissions, and one has to check everything carefully.

Conclusion: The line under question is indeed complicated, but in the final analysis the complications ultimately favor White.

Toppylov    

Toppy, 

BladezII doesn't see the transposition that would occur after 11.Bh6.  That's his problem, not yours.  

In fact, the line he gives as "A" is the same position.  But be that as it may, your games are irrelevant.

Remember, as BladezII said, Quote:

Thx for the games, Toppy!

@BladezII, 

If you don't have access to Kasparov's own detailed notes please let me know.  I don't really feel like practicing my typing skills by copying his analysis, but if that's the only way for you to read it, I'll find time (after this long weekend).

@BladezII

Proof, such as it is, will be difficult for anyone to accept without being open to his or her idea being challenged.  There are three ways of showing you the errors of your ways.  

The first is to go down the line you chose and trying to prove to you that your analysis is wrong.  That's the last alternative I would take in this situation because experience has shown me that whatever I say about your line will be replied by, "but what about this? types of comments, until the Day of Rapture.

The second way is to guide you to an authority who has discussed this and let you go through his analysis.  This isn't the "argument by authority" logical fallacy, rather it is sending you to an authority's deeper analysis to check it against yours.  I will do this by suggesting you look at Kasparov's notes to the game Najdorf-Fischer in My Great Predecessors, vol IV:  Fischer (2004) pp. 136-137 in which he analyses your move order and concludes that "Black again failed to equalise completely, which in the end reduced the popularity of the entire variation with 6...c5."

I doubt that will convince you, and the third way won't convince you either, but it does hold some sway.  The ChessBase stats on your line show that White is dominating and that Black has indeed been playing it less frequently in recent years at higher levels (2350+), supporting Kasparov's comment.  I really doubt anything I said will change your mind, but if it does, let me know what worked!

@BladezII, 

First of all, I admit that my sardonic attack on you was not warranted.  I'm sorry.

You still make the same mistake of claiming that this single variation will undermine White's Bg5.  You made the same mistake in evaluating the Saemisch in another thread.  While I admit that your move order does indeed have some independent significance, you conveniently forgot that when you misrepresented the Ehlvest-Kasparov game's move order.  Ehlvest played Nf3 much earlier than you showed.  I will have to go back and analyse your interesting line later, but for now, I still believe in White's game after 6.Bg5.