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Re: Averbakh without Bg5...??
Reply #39 - 09/09/05 at 12:41:19
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Aha! I can see that maybe in 1-2 weeks time or so you too will attain divinity!
  

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I'll check it up later. But I'm not too sure, Chessbase reads Smileys Tongue
  

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Reply #37 - 09/09/05 at 01:30:28
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I took some time to really evaluate the position here and the appreciate the trumps for Black since White's trumps are already clearly ideantified. Black has valuable trumps that are stong enough to counter
White's. In fact, his trumps must be used immediately since they rely on the temporary weakness of White's position. The Weakness of White's King is just
as real and exploitable as Black's Kingside. One of the immediate weakness is that it sits on the open file. The pinned White Knight, White's weakness on the Q side which is significant only because Black can infiltrate with the Queen and find avenues of approach to Black's Kingside after the Q has caused some wreck on the Q side. The better placement of Black's pieces compared to
White's, and last but not least Black has a better control of the center.}

14...    Nc6 !
15. h5 .....

It makes no sense to move the black g-pawn forward and it is just a bad move and a bad idea to provide another target for White.  But it makes all the sense to bring yet another piece to  the center which will also cover the K-side, thus accentuating the trumps I
mentioned earlier for Black.  If it wasn't for the people of the forum, I could not refine Black's play.  Nevertheless, Black's trumps are real just as real as White's.  White's King is AT  LEAST as exposed as Black's.  And Black
has a mobile army to take advantage of that.  So the following move makes total sense and it is a strong supporter of the move 14....   Nc6 !


15...    Ne5 !
16. hxg6 Nxg6
17. Nf3 Nxc3
18. bxc3 Qxa2
19. Nd2 d5
20. Rd1 Rad8



My conclusion (in my opinion) is that White has nothing in this line.  If he is looking for an advantage, it's not in this line.  14.... Nc6 is strong.



(The first paragraph is just a copy of a previous message, so I will ignore that for now.)

Bladez now recommends 15....Ne5 and berates his own idea of 15...g5.  That's fine, now let's go down that line.  Please remember that I predicted that rather than acknowledge the strength of White's opening based on analysis by Kasparov and others or based on the abysmal score (66% for White since 1993), we would have to go to individual lines to prove White's advantage.

@Castlerock,

Please let me know if the following is PGN readable.  I'm transferring my own game notes directly here and not adding to them.


Kachiani Gersinska,K (2427) - Uhlmann,W (2461) [E74]
Bundesliga 9900 Germany (3.7), 06.11.1999
[and,Dan]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.Bg5 c5 7.d5 h6 8.Bf4 e6 9.dxe6 Bxe6 10.Qd2 Qa5 11.Bxh6 Bxh6 12.Qxh6 Nxe4 13.Rc1 Nc6 [13...Re8! The exclamation mark belongs to BladezII.    White has a sizable advantage, as the following analysis bears out. 14.h4 Nc6! Bladez' exclamation.  (I disagree pretty strongly here.  White just gets the better game.) 15.h5 g5 Bladez' move. a)15...Ne7 Bladez may turn to this next, suggesting it's an improvement. 16.hxg6 Nxg6 17.Bd3 Nxc3 18.Kf1 Qxa2 19.Bxg6 Qxc4+ Forced. 20.Ne2 Qxe2+ Again Forced. 21.Kg1 And Black can resign.; b)15...Ng3 16.fxg3; c)15...Ne5 Bladez' new move as of 9/8/05, and coincidentally, Fritz' first line. Here's a nice line for White: 16.hxg6 Nxg6 17.a3 Nxc3 18.Rxc3 Qb6 (Fritz is playing Black.) 19.b4! cxb4 20.c5!! Although Fritz actually found this move, using Nunn's axiom, always analyse forcing moves first, I would also have found it.  Now, the trumps that Bladez spoke of (King safety, better queen placement,  and so on) all clearly belong to White.  The continuation is just for those who like gore.  I love gore!! 20...dxc5 21.Rg3 Bg4 I think most people would consider resigning rather than play Bg4. 22.Rxg4 Qf6 23.Qc1! (c)23.Qh7+ Kf8 24.f3 is also probably good enough for White here.) 23...bxa3 24.Qxa3 b5! Mobilizing the Q-side pawns is Black's only hope. 25.Rh3 Fritz recommends the cold-blooded  25.Kf1 here, but I thought I'd see if I could win against Fritz "my way". 25...Qf5 26.f3 c4 27.Qa1 Fritz points out that 27.Qb2 is of course more accurate. 27...Qe5 28.Qb1 Rad8 After I played this, Fritz changed its mind and preferred 28...Re6, which also loses. 29.Kf1 a5 (c)29...Rd4 30.Rhh4 Rxg4 31.Rxg4 a6 32.f4 Qe4 33.Qc1 Re6 34.Bf3 Qd3+ 35.Ne2 Kf8 36.Qa1 Rd6 37.Kf2 Qd1 38.Qa3 Qd2 39.Qc5 Ne7 40.f5 Rf6 41.Rd4 Qa5! Shucks, computers defend well.   42.Qe5 I missed 42.Rd6! here, but I am still winning. 42...Qb6 43.g4 Rh6 44.Kg3 I didn't like 44.Kg2 Nc6 45.Bc6 Qc6+.  It probably wasn't anything serious, but why bother with it when this is good. 44...b4 45.Rxc4 a5 46.Rc7 Qd6 47.Qxd6 Rxd6 48.Ra7 Rb6 49.Rxa5 Ke8 50.Nd4 b3 51.Ra8+ Kd7 52.f6 Nc8 53.Be4 Kc7 54.g5 Nd6 55.Bb1 Rb4 56.Nf3 b2 57.g6 fxg6 58.Ra7+ Kc6 59.f7 Rb8 60.Ne5+ Kb6 61.Ra2 Kc7 62.Rxb2 Nxf7 63.Rxb8 Kxb8 64.Nxf7 Smiley) 30.Rhg3 Rd6 31.Rg5 And even Fritz is ready to throw in the towel here.; 16.f3 And all of a sudden, Fritz 7 begins to agree with me.  Hmm. 16...Nxc3 17.Qxg5+ Kh7 18.bxc3 (18.Rxc3 Qxa2 19.h6 Qb1+ 20.Kf2 Qg6 21.Bd3 f5 22.Qxg6+ Kxg6 23.Ne2±) 18...Qd8] 14.h4 Nd4 15.Kf1 Nf5 16.Qf4 Nxc3 17.Rxc3 Qb4 18.Qc1 Kg7 19.h5 Rh8 20.Nf3 Qa5 21.Ng5 Rae8 22.Rch3 Nd4 23.Nxe6+ Rxe6 24.Bg4 f5 25.hxg6 Rxh3 26.Rxh3 fxg4 27.Qh6+ Kf6 28.Qf8+ Kg5 29.f4+ gxf3 30.Rg3+ Kh4 31.Qf4+ And mate next move. 1-0

You will notice that rather than delete anything from my original notes, which were ignored by Bladez, I simply added the lines against 15...Ne5.

I've enjoyed playing against Fritz in this line because it was very optimistic about its position for a long time, then switched radically to supporting White.  It's nice to see a computer admit that I'm right about the line.  Wink

The key improvement (though not the only possible one) in Bladez' line is 17.a3.  It doesn't even deserve an exclam because it is so very natural.  See what you think!

  
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Re: Averbakh without Bg5...??
Reply #36 - 09/08/05 at 23:47:10
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1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Be2 O-O
6. Bg5 c5
7. d5 h6
8. Bf4 Qa5 9. Qd2 e5
10. dxe6 Bxe6
11. Bxh6 Bxh6
12. Qxh6 Nxe4
13. Rc1 Re8!
14. h4
I took some time to really evaluate the position here and the appreciate the trumps for Black since White's trumps are already clearly ideantified. Black has valuable trumps that are stong enough to counter
White's. In fact, his trumps must be used immediately since they rely on the temporary weakness of White's position. The Weakness of White's King is just
as real and exploitable as Black's Kingside. One of the immediate weakness is that it sits on the open file. The pinned White Knight, White's weakness on the Q side which is significant only because Black can infiltrate with the Queen and find avenues of approach to Black's Kingside after the Q has caused some wreck on the Q side. The better placement of Black's pieces compared to
White's, and last but not least Black has a better control of the center.}

14...    Nc6 !
15. h5 .....

It makes no sense to move the black g-pawn forward and it is just a bad move and a bad idea to provide another target for White.  But it makes all the sense to bring yet another piece to  the center which will also cover the K-side, thus accentuating the trumps I
mentioned earlier for Black.  If it wasn't for the people of the forum, I could not refine Black's play.  Nevertheless, Black's trumps are real just as real as White's.  White's King is AT  LEAST as exposed as Black's.  And Black
has a mobile army to take advantage of that.  So the following move makes total sense and it is a strong supporter of the move 14....   Nc6 !

15...    Ne5 !
16. hxg6

*[16. f3 Ng3 ]...

(Or 16... Nxc3 17. Rxc3 Qxa2 18. hxg6 Nxg6 19. Qh7+ Kf8 20. Qh6+ Ke7 ({Black can take a draw here with 20... Kg88)  }  21. Qc1 Qa4 {With idea of ...Rh8 and Black is a pawn up.)

...*[Continued
17. hxg6 Nxh1 18. Qh7+ Kf8 19. g7+ Ke7 20. Qh4+ f6 21. Qxh1 Kd7 {Black has idea of ...Nxc4 and/or ...Re7 ....Rag8}

22. Kf2 Re7 23. f4 Nxc4 24.f5 Bg8 25. Qh4 Ne3 26. Ne4 Nxf5 27. Bg4 Rxe4 28. Bxf5+ Re6 29. Bxe6+ Bxe6 30. Qxf6 Qd2+ 31. Ne2 Re8 {and this looks promising for Black, the g--pawn looks like a liability that will soon just be lost.]*

Now continuing my main line:

16...   Nxg6
17. Nf3 Nxc3
18. bxc3 Qxa2
19. Nd2 d5
20. Rd1 Rad8

White may not have anything better than to take the draw by perpetual.  i.e.

21.Qh7+ Kf8
22. Qh6+ Ke7
23. Ne4 dxe4
24. Qg5+ Kf8

My conclusion (in my opinion) is that White has nothing in this line.  If he is looking for an advantage, it's not in this line.  14.... Nc6 is strong.

Now, for the other matter, how I talk about this or that variation does not mean I deserve or that you or anybody has a right to disrespect or attack ME.  Attack the line, but NOT me.  No one is forcing you to do this or that.  In the US, the only thing we HAVe to do is die and pay taxes, everything else is your choice.

From now on I pledge and I invite you all to the following:  Let's get along and let's discuss chess and moves in chess or ideas, not people.
  

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Reply #35 - 09/08/05 at 20:14:09
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Absolutely Right!

Thanks woofwoof and Castlerock for reminding me why I enjoy this site.
  
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Re: Averbakh without Bg5...??
Reply #34 - 09/08/05 at 10:21:11
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@Bladez,

In other words, I don't see 6...c5 as being the problem with the Averbakh system.  It's probably Black's best continuation, but not necessarily the problem, as Bladez contested.


I agree with that. I'm a lover of the KID, while i might be bold enough to say that 6....c5 is black's best move in striving for equality and counterplay in this system, it is by no means the refutation of the system.

@bladez - I know you love the KID passionately & obviously have done your fair share of work on it. Please remember that this is a public forum - a place to share ideas, opinions & to support one another. My impression from looking at the bickering so far is that it does appear that you are trying hard to shove your opinions down everyone's throat like its some kind of gospal truth. Given that it is a public forum means that different people of different backgrounds, tastes, styles & experiences also participate hence there will bound to be some who agree or disagree with whatever opinions you may have, even good or well intentioned ones.  Just becasue some people disagree with you does not  mean that they have anything against you personally or the KID for that matter. The fact that the KID is still being played & still popular shows that it does not need apologists to defend it against any so called 'persecutions'.

As far as this thread is concerned , i was initially looking forward to a lively discussion & exchange of ideas & opinions, but somehow lost interest when I saw all those long lines of analyses and constant bickering. I agree with Castlerock that this thread is beginning to sound like a BDG thread.
  

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Reply #33 - 09/08/05 at 03:22:01
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My game notes may not be PGN friendly, I don't know.  If they aren't please advise me on how to make them more usable!



Enter the game, variations and your comments in chasebase, copy the game and paste it on to the message editor and don't change anything there. Further comments can be made by referring to the game at a different place. This is the method I'm following and hope it's okay.
  

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Reply #32 - 09/08/05 at 03:00:32
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Castlerock,

Thank you for your considered remarks.  I would like to point out that while I do edit my remarks quite a bit, they are almost entirely to do with spelling and grammatical errors that I catch or with making something look better by adding bold typeface and the like. 

I am very careful not to edit content.  I would much rather add another comment than do that. (I want to have as many comments as possible anyway!  Grin)

My game notes may not be PGN friendly, I don't know.  If they aren't please advise me on how to make them more usable!

  
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Re: Averbakh without Bg5...??
Reply #31 - 09/08/05 at 02:52:40
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@Bladez,

As long as you don't backtrack on any of your previous comments, I won't respond, because they speak for themselves. 

Here is the analysis you wanted, and thank you for acknowledging that you do use computers.  So do I, but I hope the discerning viewer will be able to detect a difference in the way we each use the machines. 



Kachiani Gersinska,K (2427) - Uhlmann,W (2461) [E74]
Bundesliga 9900 Germany (3.7), 06.11.1999

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.Bg5 c5 7.d5 h6 8.Bf4 e6 9.dxe6 Bxe6 10.Qd2 Qa5 11.Bxh6 Bxh6 12.Qxh6 Nxe4 13.Rc1 Nc6

[13...Re8!
The exclamation mark belongs to BladezII.    White has a sizable advantage, as the following analysis bears out. 14.h4 Nc6! Bladez' exclamation.  (I disagree pretty strongly here.  White just gets the better game.) 15.h5 g5 Bladez' move. (15...Ne7 Bladez may turn to this next, suggesting it's an improvement. 16.hxg6 Nxg6 17.Bd3 Nxc3 18.Kf1 Qxa2 19.Bxg6 Qxc4+ Forced. 20.Ne2 Qxe2+ Again Forced. 21.Kg1 And Black can resign.)

16.f3 And all of a sudden, Fritz 7 begins to agree with me.  Hmm. 16...Nxc3 17.Qxg5+ Kh7 18.bxc3 (18.Rxc3 Qxa2 19.h6 Qb1+ 20.Kf2 Qg6 21.Bd3 f5 22.Qxg6+ Kxg6 23.Ne2±) 18...Qd8]

14.h4 Nd4 15.Kf1 Nf5 16.Qf4 Nxc3 17.Rxc3 Qb4 18.Qc1 Kg7 19.h5 Rh8 20.Nf3 Qa5 21.Ng5 Rae8 22.Rch3 Nd4 23.Nxe6+ Rxe6 24.Bg4 f5 25.hxg6 Rxh3 26.Rxh3 fxg4 27.Qh6+ Kf6 28.Qf8+ Kg5 29.f4+ gxf3 30.Rg3+ Kh4 31.Qf4+ And mate next move. 1-0


This doesn't prove White's advantage in all lines, but I didn't claim that

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[/b]The problem with the Averbakh system is 6... c5.  This is the most critical continuation, immediately attacking the center.



In other words, I don't see 6...c5 as being the problem with the Averbakh system.  It's probably Black's best continuation, but not necessarily the problem, as Bladez contested.
  
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Reply #30 - 09/08/05 at 02:03:38
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Bladez,

I don’t know why I am getting suckered into this. Perhaps, because of this. If someone thinks quite a few KID threads are turning into a circus like BDG posts, he/she is not alone.

Have you ever thought why Smyslov_Fan and TopNotch and to a miniscule extent I wrote what we wrote? Your obstinate passion to champion KID in general and your lines in particular made you chose words, which are bordering on insults and name calling. And others returned the favour. Now, I am not saying you meant it or did it on purpose. If others took it this way, I can’t blame them either.

So in this post I’m not talking chess and I want to put some of my thoughts for everyone’s consideration.

1.      This is probably the best place to discuss chess. Lots of strong players, coaches, IM’s GM’s and book authors give their insights. I’m reasonably sure everyone here gets back more than what they give. Hence, it is our primary responsibility to keep it sane and conducive for IM’s and GM’s visit. Hijacking every thread to one’s whims is hardly the way to do it.
2.      This a virtual medium and one does not have any means of verifying claims beyond what he/she has to say. I don’t think anybody wants to be discourteous on purpose. But since body language is not visible, words will have to portray it. At the minimum, it should not deemed discourteous.
3.      This is a free forum and people comment and help each other. There’s no point in lamenting “No response” after making things difficult for other posters. For example going over lines of Bladez is an ordeal. One has to shift between chessbase and browser to enter the moves. Pgn friendly posts normally get better response. We should avoid editing in the browser, after pasting the game from pgn reader. Of course, Bladez is not alone in this. Smyslov_Fan is his comrade in crime. There are others as well.
4.      Fridzy analyses are okay and in fact, are needed so long as they conform to the general principles and strategic guidelines of the opening in question. For example in Petrosian line if I produce some king side counter play, with the help of fridz, not bothering to prepare for b4 or queen side play, and call it a great novelty, people will stop reading my posts.

I’m sorry if I hurt you or any one else, Bladze. I’ll get back to your line soon.

Cordially,

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Reply #29 - 09/07/05 at 21:26:40
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Let's see really,  objectively---

"@BladezII, 

First of all, I admit that my sardonic attack on you was not warranted.  I'm sorry. "  Smyslov, even though you apologized, you did attack me for no justifiable reason.  I posted something which reflected my opinion and I was attacked.  Did I  get defensive?  If I did, can you blame me?

Second, "You still make the same mistake of claiming that this single variation will undermine White's Bg5" -- I never made such a claim and that is clear, Smyslov.  Another attack or accusation , if you will from you.

Third,  "You made the same mistake in evaluating the Saemisch in another thread" That was about my line in the Saemisch Be3 c5 post.  You say it was a mistake.  There is no post and no supportive reasons at all, just an empty statement as to why you declare my line a mistake.  Just the fact that you declare it a mistake imposes you got something to back it up wether right or wrong.

Fourth, "Toppy,  BladezII doesn't see the transposition that would occur after 11.Bh6.  That's his problem, not yours. "  Is what you wrote earlier , to which I responded with:  " You are totally right, Smyslov-Fan.  I just read the moves and did not have it on board. "

I have no problem with noticing I can be wrong.  I know I am human.

Fifth, "Castlerock, he claimed the same thing after Nd7 and gave the whole idea of Nc6 a question mark, then after my response rather than make an effort to save his line he simply flip flopped and is now promoting Nc6 with the same exaggerated bluster.

His analysis is too superficial to be taken seriously, its evident that he simply adds comments to fritz variations without any meaningful analytical effort of his own. This is a lazy practice and for this reason I will not waste anymore time pointing out why Nc6 does not give black an easy life either.

In short I will not reward laziness by doing peoples analysis for them. " (this was written by Toppy"

He called me lazy, he called the analysis too superficial, yet you say I went 20 moves DEEP.  He says I made no analytical effort of my own, yet I made many candidate moves for white in accordance to his logical plans and tactical, defensive and offensive options and ideas.

He says I went back to ...Nc6 (he called it a flip flop).  BUT, he is the one calling me superficial and says I make no analytical effort of his own.  Yet, those of you who have made an analytical effert of your own, without being superficial have noticed that the ....Nc6 move made in the game he included is way way different than the ....Nc6 move I am promoting, and I have stated why.

Also part of this is the fact that I said BEFORE I delved into variation the following:

"I took some time to really evaluate the position here and to appreciate the trumps for Black since White's trumps were already clearly identified.  Black has valuable trumps that are stong to counter White's.  In fact, his trumps must be used immediately since they rely on the temporary weakness of White's position and his better placement.
The Weakness of White's King is just as real and exploitable as Black's Kingside.  One of the immediate weakness is that it sits on the open file.   

Other trumps for Black:  The pinned White Knight, White's weakness on the Q side which is significant only because Black can infiltrate with the Queen and find avenues of approach to Black's Kingside after the Q has caused some wreck on the Q side.   

The better placement of Black's pieces compared to
White's, and last but not least Black has a better control of the center.

There is no point really in elminating Black's well place Knight for the Nc3, so....  14....  Nc6"

It is evident that I did follow Toppy's advice to look at the position and delve into it before I start making moves.

Sixth and lastly for this particular post,  you say you or others accuse me of using a computer to do my analysis.   Wait a minute,  I have openly said I do.  I use a computer to check over the lines I want to try to check my ideas and I use it exactly for what they are strong in... tactical melee.   This is something normal.   There is no accusing and no guilt trip.  This is not an over the board game or an internet game this is a discussion forum, for good grief !

Now, can we get back to the subject of chess and of those lines ?

Please !

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Reply #28 - 09/07/05 at 13:45:15
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@Mike Bladez,

I have taken a look at your lines, and if you hated to answer the way you did, I wonder who made you do it.  your anger and defensiveness has been noted by just about all who respond to you.

I congratulate you and thank you for your service in Iraq (you aren't the only one).

BUT

That has no bearing whatsoever on your manner here, and on your analysis, or serious lack thereof.  You give a single line more than 20 moves deep and act as if it's an all-out refutation.  You make claims, and when challenged you attack, rather than think.  Let's take a look at what you have recently said:

(Edited on 9/4/2005)
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Going back to the Main line--

15...        Nxc3 
16. Rxc3  Qxa2 
17. Qc1   Nd4 
18. h5     Nb3 
19. Qd1  Nd4 
20. Rg3   Bxc4 
21. Bxc4  Qxc4+ 

White is in trouble



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9/7/2005
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14... Nc6 makes a world of difference and I can't find anygame in chessbase with that move.  It is a great move from my angle and it makes great sense not to take the Nc3 , really.

Smyslov, have you looked over my line, this very last one?


Your very last line goes back to the same mistake TopNotch has already pointed out.  I don't need to make any comments since TopNotch has already done so.  You still avoid discussing Kasparov's work, so I will take some time today and address in detail what you have avoided all along.

The reason others have accused you of pulling out a computer for your analysis is that humans rarely give lines that are twenty moves deep with almost no comment and then decide that one side has won or lost. And it's even rarer for a human to declare that this proves that a move such as 6....c5 refutes White's opening because of a single variation.

Furthermore, your position starting at move 12 has been analysed by strong players, and has been considered weak for Black.  You aren't creating a new variation as you claim.  Please do some research, and change your tone.  I can take abuse, but I don't need to.  I hope you exorcise your demons elsewhere.
  
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Re: Averbakh without Bg5...??
Reply #27 - 09/07/05 at 12:57:59
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No, you have it wrong.  His move is not a return to Nc6 as his previous post.  Take a closer look and you will see the great difference.  It has been written more than once, Black does NOT capture the Nc3 thus it does not help white bring his rook into play with Rxc3.  Top, take a closer look or else your opinion might just be fluff and no substance.
  
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Re: Averbakh without Bg5...??
Reply #26 - 09/07/05 at 08:45:58
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No I haven't, as yet. If I did, I would have posted, even if it means you are right! Grin Sooner I guess, particularly after the claim of great novelty Wink


Castlerock, he claimed the same thing after Nd7 and gave the whole idea of Nc6 a question mark, then after my response rather than make an effort to save his line he simply flip flopped and is now promoting Nc6 with the same exaggerated bluster.

His analysis is too superficial to be taken seriously, its evident that he simply adds comments to fritz variations without any meaningful analytical effort of his own. This is a lazy practice and for this reason I will not waste anymore time pointing out why Nc6 does not give black an easy life either.

In short I will not reward laziness by doing peoples analysis for them.

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Re: Averbakh without Bg5...??
Reply #25 - 09/07/05 at 01:18:26
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  Castlerock did, and even I dont know if he has looked at this last one and seen it with his own eyes , but here 14... Nc6 makes a world of difference and I can't find anygame in chessbase with that move.  It is a great move from my angle and it makes great sense not to take the Nc3 , really.


No I haven't, as yet. If I did, I would have posted, even if it means you are right! Grin Sooner I guess, particularly after the claim of great novelty Wink
  

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