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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #49 - 03/20/06 at 18:05:10
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Maybe this new book on the 4-Pawns attack will put it in the running as one of the most difficult variations to face (http://www.chesscafe.com/skittles/skittles.htm). ; From a practical standpoint, I'd agree that the Classical exchange variation is the most annoying to meet, especially if one is trying to win in correspondence/email chess!
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #48 - 03/17/06 at 13:28:13
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BladezII wrote on 09/06/05 at 20:46:52:
I have had the most wins playing vs the Saemisch and the reason is it is the most frequently system played against me.  It does not mean it is the easiest to play against for me.  I believe the 4 pawns is easiest for me to play against.

From easiest to hardest (for  me)--

1. Four pawns attack
2. Saemisch
3. Averbakh
4. Fianchetto
5. Classical
5. Double Fianchetto


Recently I have found the Classical Exchange Variation somewhat annoying.  Hoping for winning chances in a recent game, I played the ...c6 gambit, but it has petered out into a rather dull ending.  I don't expect to lose, but I have no winning chances.  The same thing happened to me in one or two previous games.  Since I play the KID when I want to win, this line is troublesome.
  

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Reply #47 - 02/10/06 at 19:40:53
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Yep I understand. Thanks  Cheesy
  
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Reply #46 - 02/10/06 at 09:07:46
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nope! if white castles k-side, then its a little less 'exciting'. You'll just be attacking a place where the enemy king doesnt dwell! So less exciting in that sense, than say in a classical  for eg, where its a direct attack on the king. Get my drift?
  

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Reply #45 - 02/10/06 at 08:49:39
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Hey woofwoof

"The Byrne centres more on a rapid queen side expansion. So if white castles there you might have some fun! "

Are you also suggesting that if White castles kingside, then Black is...  Smiley
  
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Reply #44 - 02/09/06 at 11:14:41
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BladezII wrote on 02/09/06 at 10:09:48:
I think we should discuss that on another thread.  Do you agree ?


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Reply #43 - 02/09/06 at 10:09:48
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I think we should discuss that on another thread.  Do you agree ?
  

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Reply #42 - 02/09/06 at 09:51:42
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What is the latest on 9.Rc1 in Samisch, especially after 6.Bg5? I think the stem game is Mamedyarov-Cheparinov.

@BladezII

What is your preferred continuation after 6.Bg5 c5 7.d5? (Later correction. Formarly, it was 7.Qd2 which is erroneous. - Castlerock)I hope it is not 7...e5 Wink
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #41 - 02/09/06 at 08:13:19
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A word of advice, and I hope it helps.  If anyone is not willing to put in as much work as he would to learn all the tools available and be well prepared, that person should steer away from the panno.  I would recommend playing ...c5 systems vs the Saemisch and I mean vs Nge2, or Be3, and even Bg5.  The ...c5 systems are beginning to take the limelight and be more popular than all other systems vs the Saemisch.

Otherwise, if you are willing to work hard and devote time, go ahead, play the Panno.

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Reply #40 - 02/09/06 at 05:25:40
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Hi Sniper,

The Byrne centres more on a rapid queen side expansion. So if white castles there you might have some fun!

I'm not sure if you can find anything on the Uhlmann in the newer KID books. My source was an old old book, KID by Barden Hartsen & Keene. However you may be able to find something on it on those specialist type of books eg the saemisch KID. Its among the various lines in the orthodox/main line/classical (different sources use different terms) saemisch. The Uhlmann as mentioned before centres on K-side attack.

The panno is a more complex system. It is more all round the board play to break the white centre. As I too am quite curiuos abt the panno, I'm very tempted to start a thread on it so that hopefully the gurus here help me get acquainted with that system.
  

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Reply #39 - 02/09/06 at 04:24:21
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@ castlerock
Oh yeah... I will also look at the Bryne thx. As for not having a mating attack...well I don't mind that as I always thought that in the Saemisch and Fianchetto Black doesn't have that option anyway...
  
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Reply #38 - 02/09/06 at 04:20:38
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Thanks for the replies!

Panno and Uhlmann...Mmm I'll do some research.
In The KID Battle Plans by Andy Martin he makes the Panno as well as systems with the traditional e5 seem so innocuous and bad?! This is why I had my doubts about these systems but I was also a bit skeptical...therefore once again thanks for the info, people!!  Cheesy
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #37 - 02/08/06 at 19:21:54
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castlerock wrote on 02/08/06 at 10:48:25:
SniperOnG7 wrote on 02/03/06 at 07:56:54:
Im having trouble recently to decide on what setup to choose against each one. Can anyone offer me a list of the defences against these two systems and maybe recommend me some books that examine these?


As regards Saemisch, you have to recon with 6.Nge2, 6.Be3 and 6.Be5. Finding one good line for all three might be next to impossible. Byrne system with 6…c6,7…a6 is playable generally. But then, alas, mating attack on the king side is not he theme! Cheesy


Castlerock,

Not difficult at all.  I have written before on this subject, the Sawmisch, and I will add more.  6... c5 is a very reliable response to the Saemisch to  6.Nge2, 6.Be3 and 6.Bg5.   6.Nge2 c5 is now looking like it's going to put off White players who are looking to play for a win since Black's array of options are strong.

Of course then there is the Panno and this is in my opinion the one with the most chances for a bloody fight.  I have posted material on the Saemisch, Panno elsewhere in the forum.

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #36 - 02/08/06 at 19:12:52
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What about the bayonet (especially with Bb2) ???  I used to play the KID and it scared the sh*t out of me.


Read my post "Bayonet attack, game: Gyimesi -- Radjabov"

There are new ideas coming out which are helping to put the ball back in White's court, again, in the bayonet.

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #35 - 02/08/06 at 14:26:59
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SniperOnG7 wrote on 02/03/06 at 07:56:54:
The easiest are the ones where White plays an early d4-d5. In these positions i am the King! Wink while the hardest are definitely the saemisch and the fianchetto. 
Im having trouble recently to decide on what setup to choose against each one. Can anyone offer me a list of the defences against these two systems and maybe recommend me some books that examine these?


There is 2 systems that you can use for both fianchetto & saemisch. One is the Panno setup. ie 6...Nc6 & 7...a6. 8...Rb8 being a popular 8th move among other decent ones. The other is Uhlmann's Variation. In the fianchetto, the variation tries to combine the panno Nc6 with the classical e5 to obtain a rapid k-side attack with f5. In the saemisch, the Uhlmann also involves playing e5 & f5.

For me anyway, I will play Uhlmann's defense against the saemisch with 6...e5 followed 7...Nh5 & f5 once white locks the ctr , keeping things close to the typical KID type of game.

The whole excitement of the Uhlmann just as the other typical KID games hinges on white locking the ctr. The whole trouble is......will white do it?? Quite often esp amongst beginners or non book people they just exchange. Tongue
  

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