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Reply #49 - 03/20/06 at 18:05:10
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Maybe this new book on the 4-Pawns attack will put it in the running as one of the most difficult variations to face (http://www.chesscafe.com/skittles/skittles.htm). ; From a practical standpoint, I'd agree that the Classical exchange variation is the most annoying to meet, especially if one is trying to win in correspondence/email chess!
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #48 - 03/17/06 at 13:28:13
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BladezII wrote on 09/06/05 at 20:46:52:
I have had the most wins playing vs the Saemisch and the reason is it is the most frequently system played against me.  It does not mean it is the easiest to play against for me.  I believe the 4 pawns is easiest for me to play against.

From easiest to hardest (for  me)--

1. Four pawns attack
2. Saemisch
3. Averbakh
4. Fianchetto
5. Classical
5. Double Fianchetto


Recently I have found the Classical Exchange Variation somewhat annoying.  Hoping for winning chances in a recent game, I played the ...c6 gambit, but it has petered out into a rather dull ending.  I don't expect to lose, but I have no winning chances.  The same thing happened to me in one or two previous games.  Since I play the KID when I want to win, this line is troublesome.
  

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Reply #47 - 02/10/06 at 19:40:53
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Yep I understand. Thanks  Cheesy
  
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Reply #46 - 02/10/06 at 09:07:46
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nope! if white castles k-side, then its a little less 'exciting'. You'll just be attacking a place where the enemy king doesnt dwell! So less exciting in that sense, than say in a classical  for eg, where its a direct attack on the king. Get my drift?
  

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Reply #45 - 02/10/06 at 08:49:39
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Hey woofwoof

"The Byrne centres more on a rapid queen side expansion. So if white castles there you might have some fun! "

Are you also suggesting that if White castles kingside, then Black is...  Smiley
  
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Reply #44 - 02/09/06 at 11:14:41
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BladezII wrote on 02/09/06 at 10:09:48:
I think we should discuss that on another thread.  Do you agree ?


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Reply #43 - 02/09/06 at 10:09:48
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I think we should discuss that on another thread.  Do you agree ?
  

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #42 - 02/09/06 at 09:51:42
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What is the latest on 9.Rc1 in Samisch, especially after 6.Bg5? I think the stem game is Mamedyarov-Cheparinov.

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What is your preferred continuation after 6.Bg5 c5 7.d5? (Later correction. Formarly, it was 7.Qd2 which is erroneous. - Castlerock)I hope it is not 7...e5 Wink
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #41 - 02/09/06 at 08:13:19
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A word of advice, and I hope it helps.  If anyone is not willing to put in as much work as he would to learn all the tools available and be well prepared, that person should steer away from the panno.  I would recommend playing ...c5 systems vs the Saemisch and I mean vs Nge2, or Be3, and even Bg5.  The ...c5 systems are beginning to take the limelight and be more popular than all other systems vs the Saemisch.

Otherwise, if you are willing to work hard and devote time, go ahead, play the Panno.

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Reply #40 - 02/09/06 at 05:25:40
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Hi Sniper,

The Byrne centres more on a rapid queen side expansion. So if white castles there you might have some fun!

I'm not sure if you can find anything on the Uhlmann in the newer KID books. My source was an old old book, KID by Barden Hartsen & Keene. However you may be able to find something on it on those specialist type of books eg the saemisch KID. Its among the various lines in the orthodox/main line/classical (different sources use different terms) saemisch. The Uhlmann as mentioned before centres on K-side attack.

The panno is a more complex system. It is more all round the board play to break the white centre. As I too am quite curiuos abt the panno, I'm very tempted to start a thread on it so that hopefully the gurus here help me get acquainted with that system.
  

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Reply #39 - 02/09/06 at 04:24:21
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@ castlerock
Oh yeah... I will also look at the Bryne thx. As for not having a mating attack...well I don't mind that as I always thought that in the Saemisch and Fianchetto Black doesn't have that option anyway...
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #38 - 02/09/06 at 04:20:38
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Thanks for the replies!

Panno and Uhlmann...Mmm I'll do some research.
In The KID Battle Plans by Andy Martin he makes the Panno as well as systems with the traditional e5 seem so innocuous and bad?! This is why I had my doubts about these systems but I was also a bit skeptical...therefore once again thanks for the info, people!!  Cheesy
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #37 - 02/08/06 at 19:21:54
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castlerock wrote on 02/08/06 at 10:48:25:
SniperOnG7 wrote on 02/03/06 at 07:56:54:
Im having trouble recently to decide on what setup to choose against each one. Can anyone offer me a list of the defences against these two systems and maybe recommend me some books that examine these?


As regards Saemisch, you have to recon with 6.Nge2, 6.Be3 and 6.Be5. Finding one good line for all three might be next to impossible. Byrne system with 6…c6,7…a6 is playable generally. But then, alas, mating attack on the king side is not he theme! Cheesy


Castlerock,

Not difficult at all.  I have written before on this subject, the Sawmisch, and I will add more.  6... c5 is a very reliable response to the Saemisch to  6.Nge2, 6.Be3 and 6.Bg5.   6.Nge2 c5 is now looking like it's going to put off White players who are looking to play for a win since Black's array of options are strong.

Of course then there is the Panno and this is in my opinion the one with the most chances for a bloody fight.  I have posted material on the Saemisch, Panno elsewhere in the forum.

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #36 - 02/08/06 at 19:12:52
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What about the bayonet (especially with Bb2) ???  I used to play the KID and it scared the sh*t out of me.


Read my post "Bayonet attack, game: Gyimesi -- Radjabov"

There are new ideas coming out which are helping to put the ball back in White's court, again, in the bayonet.

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #35 - 02/08/06 at 14:26:59
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SniperOnG7 wrote on 02/03/06 at 07:56:54:
The easiest are the ones where White plays an early d4-d5. In these positions i am the King! Wink while the hardest are definitely the saemisch and the fianchetto. 
Im having trouble recently to decide on what setup to choose against each one. Can anyone offer me a list of the defences against these two systems and maybe recommend me some books that examine these?


There is 2 systems that you can use for both fianchetto & saemisch. One is the Panno setup. ie 6...Nc6 & 7...a6. 8...Rb8 being a popular 8th move among other decent ones. The other is Uhlmann's Variation. In the fianchetto, the variation tries to combine the panno Nc6 with the classical e5 to obtain a rapid k-side attack with f5. In the saemisch, the Uhlmann also involves playing e5 & f5.

For me anyway, I will play Uhlmann's defense against the saemisch with 6...e5 followed 7...Nh5 & f5 once white locks the ctr , keeping things close to the typical KID type of game.

The whole excitement of the Uhlmann just as the other typical KID games hinges on white locking the ctr. The whole trouble is......will white do it?? Quite often esp amongst beginners or non book people they just exchange. Tongue
  

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Reply #34 - 02/08/06 at 10:48:25
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SniperOnG7 wrote on 02/03/06 at 07:56:54:
Im having trouble recently to decide on what setup to choose against each one. Can anyone offer me a list of the defences against these two systems and maybe recommend me some books that examine these?


As regards Saemisch, you have to recon with 6.Nge2, 6.Be3 and 6.Be5. Finding one good line for all three might be next to impossible. Byrne system with 6…c6,7…a6 is playable generally. But then, alas, mating attack on the king side is not he theme! Cheesy
  

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Reply #33 - 02/06/06 at 11:11:51
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Statistically talking the hardest white line seems to be 5.h3.

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The easiest are the ones where White plays an early d4-d5. In these positions i am the King! Wink while the hardest are definitely the saemisch and the fianchetto. 
Im having trouble recently to decide on what setup to choose against each one. Can anyone offer me a list of the defences against these two systems and maybe recommend me some books that examine these?
  
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Reply #31 - 01/27/06 at 19:55:31
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What about the bayonet (especially with Bb2) ???  I used to play the KID and it scared the sh*t out of me.
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #30 - 01/27/06 at 10:11:59
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The "Sämisch Panno" is the subject of one of John Watson's finest books imho, well worth looking at if you can get hold of a copy, even if you have no intention of playing the line with either side.  In my KID days I would play 6...Nc6 just so I could scurry away and look it up in John's book again after I had finished my game.  Then along came Andy Martin's repertoire book (with all the diagrams printed from Black's point of view - I really liked that back then!) and I switched to sacrificing my queen (6...e5 7.d5 Nh5 8.Qd2 Qh4† 9.g3 Nxg3!? 10.Qf2 Nxf1 11.Qxh4 Nxe3) but I still think back fondly to all those lines where Black plays ...Nd4 as a pawn sacrifice and then blasts away down the b- and e-files and the h8-a1 diagonal Smiley

However, I should point out, as Watson does, that the moniker "Sämisch Panno" is inaccurate.  The variation has very little in common with the 'echt' Panno (vs. the Fianchetto) ... and Panno rarely, if ever, played it.
  

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Reply #29 - 01/27/06 at 07:01:27
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The Panno in the Saemisch is similar to the sharp game you encounter in main line Dragon in the Sicilian.  What I mean is the work and study and risks for both sides is ever present and needed.  In the following game, Black plays in the centre, Q-side and the kingside not so much.

[Event "World Ch 26 sf7"]
[Site "corr ICCF"]
[Date "2002.09.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Knol, Everdinand (RSA)"]
[Black "Kangur, Alvar"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E84"]
[WhiteElo "2256"]
[BlackElo "2525"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[EventDate "2002.??.??"]
[Source "Chess Mail Ltd"]
[SourceDate "2005.07.27"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 Nc6 7. Nge2 a6 8. Qd2
Rb8 9. h4 h5 10. Nc1 e5 11. d5 Nd4 12. N1e2 c5 13. dxc6 Nxc6 14. Rd1 Be6 15. b3
b5  16. cxb5 axb5 17. Qxd6 Qxd6 18. Rxd6 Rfc8 19.g3 Bf8 20. Rd1 Bb4 21. Bd2 Bc5 22. Bh3 Bxh3 23. Rxh3 b4 24. Na4 Ba7 25. Nb2 Ne8 26. Nc4 Ra8 27. Bc1 Bc5 28. Rd5 Bd4 29. Nxd4 Nxd4 30. Be3 Nxf3+ 31. Ke2 Nd4+
32. Bxd4 exd4 33. Rxd4 Rxa2+ 34. Kf3 Rc2 0-1


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Reply #28 - 01/27/06 at 04:04:43
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Hey Bladez,

That was an interesting description of the Panno by you. I had been tempted to study it but was put off by the seemingly disappointing results by black. The book I have (Barden Hartson &Keene) didnt give very much accept to say that it is complex & it goes for all round board play as opposed to say Byrne which focusses on Q-side play.

Going by the move order Nc6, a6, Rb1 it does look like its going for Q-side expansion, but at the same time ive seen in some games the QN is going all over the place being chased or otherwise. Ive not really seen any K-side storms  as in the typical KID games or attempts to liquidate the ctr or lock it by black. So what really is black aiming for? To provoke some strategic weaknesses in white's side maybe??

Ive managed to find a few Saemisch Panno games played by Fischer (one of the best KID models right?) & he had trouble keeping afloat & eventually lost most of his games. (probably why he avoids playing the KID against saemisch specialists) So its kinda discouraging at the moment.

What's your take on the Panno compared to Uhlmann's defense (I use that one) against the Saemisch? Does the Saemish Panno have the same strategic ideas/aims as the Panno Fianchetto??

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Reply #27 - 01/26/06 at 21:47:11
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/01/05 at 05:00:20:
Considering that White is the one with all the choices in the Classical, I'm a bit surprised that isn't the most feared by pretty much all KID players.  Maybe some don't fear it as much because it's also the most thematic variation of the KID.  


I don't approach it as White having all the choices in the classical, specifically in the Mar de Plata lines.  What I see clearly is White having tried this then that, then this other and still Black keeps putting the ball back in White's court.  All the choices have come from all those tries.  I would say that the critical line in the Mar de Plata, a4 has been getting nowhere with ...a5, and lately, ...Rf6 instead of the immediate ...a5 is growing and that can only help Black, especially in the ...a5 because I think whatever Black can do with ....Rf6, he can do with playing ...a5 first.

The classical, the Mar de Plata, is being seeing less in top level competition, in correspondence you are hard pressed to find 10 games among 2 players 2200+  in a year now.  Frankly, I don't worry about it as much as the other obscure systems.  

The Saemisch, specifically in the Panno (my specialty), is a wild and sharp game and those who win are the better prepared and the better tacticians, in the ...c5 systems (my plan B), specifically the Dreev system, those are very compromising games the more risks taken by White, the more chances has to win, the less risks he takes there, then the less chance Black has of playing for the win, but White is also left with fewer chances.





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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/01/05 at 05:00:20:
Considering that White is the one with all the choices in the Classical, I'm a bit surprised that isn't the most feared by pretty much all KID players.  Maybe some don't fear it as much because it's also the most thematic variation of the KID.  


I don't approach it as White having all the choices in the classical, specifically in the Mar de Plata lines.  What I see clearly is White having tried this then that, then this other and still Black keeps putting the ball back in White's court.  All the choices have come from all those tries.  I would say that the critical line in the Mar de Plata, a4 has been getting nowhere with ...a5, and lately, ...Rf6 instead of the immediate ...a5 is growing and that can only help Black, especially in the ...a5 because I think whatever Black can do with ....Rf6, he can do with playing ...a5 first.

The classical, the Mar de Plata, is being seeing less in top level competition, in correspondence you are hard pressed to find 10 games among 2 players 2200+  in a year now.  Frankly, I don't worry about it as much as the other obscure systems. 

The Saemisch, specifically in the Panno (my specialty), is a wild and sharp game and those who win are the better prepared and the better tacticians, in the ...c5 systems (my plan B), specifically the Dreev system, those are very compromising games the more risks taken by White, the more chances has to win, the less risks he takes there, then the less chance Black has of playing for the win, but White is also left with fewer chances.



  
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I have had a liking for 7...Na6 (which I recently found out is also Gallagher's favourite) ever since I saw this game (which transposes) ...

[Event "Vejstrup"]
[Site ""]
[Date "1989.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Rogers, Ian"]
[Black "Mortensen, Erling"]
[Result "0-1"]
[NIC "KI 26.6.2"]
[ECO "E73"]
[PlyCount "86"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Be2 O-O 6. Bg5 Na6 7. Nf3 h6 8. Bh4 e5 9.
d5 g5 10. Bg3 Nxe4 11. Nxe4 f5 12. Nfd2 fxe4 13. Nxe4 Bf5 14. Bd3 g4 15. O-O h5 16.
f3 Bxe4 17. Bxe4 Nc5 18. Bc2 e4 19. Bxe4 Nxe4 20. fxe4 Bxb2 21. Rb1 Rxf1  22. Qxf1
Bd4  23. Kh1 Qe7 24. Qf5 Rf8 25. Qg6  Bg7 26. e5 dxe5 27. h4 gxh3 28. gxh3 Qa3 29.
Rg1 Qf3  30. Kh2 Qf5 31. Qe6  Kh7 32. Qxf5  Rxf5 33. c5 Bf8 34. c6 b6 35. Re1 Bd6
36. h4 Kg6 37. Kg2 Kf6 38. a4 a6 39. Re4 b5 40. axb5 axb5 41. Re1 Ke7 42. Re2 b4
43. Re1 Rf8 0-1
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Reply #24 - 12/05/05 at 09:52:12
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I think probably best for black in the Petrosian would be the combination of both ie 7....a5 8.Bg5 h6 9.bh4 Na6 to keep white's q-side push at bay before starting operations on the K-side.

A slower & much less popular method ie 7....Nbd7 8.Bg5 h6 9.Bh4 a6 10.Nd2 Qe1

Then probably the sharper alternative to the above might be 9....g5! 10 Bg3 Nh4 11.h4! But i feel that this is giving white the type of game he wants which is to blunt black's f5 break.

There's also this thing called an anti Petrosian which is to play 7...h6!? preventing Bg5. I dont know much about this line but the book i have considers this weakening of the k-side as uncalled for w/o provocation.
  

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Reply #23 - 12/04/05 at 15:02:19
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The problem with the Petrosian is two fold, ....a5 or ...Na6.

The Petrosian in my opinion and in my experience and studies is nothing to worry about unless you are worried that white might get away with a draw !
Frankly, many times, in most openings, White will get the draw if he wants.
  

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I am suprised... Why is the Petrosian variation not a threat? All games I played with it I won, expect one but that was vs a GM Smiley it easy to learn and wins rather easy ... white can;t looooose


Well Black has to respect a system named after a World Champion  Wink.  Since in the KID Black is trying to get White to clarify the in the centre (it's a war of information), in the Petrosian system White is giving information away to Black without concession, and so GMs think they can squeeze a little bit more out of White's position by delaying d5.
  

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I am suprised... Why is the Petrosian variation not a threat? All games I played with it I won, expect one but that was vs a GM Smiley it easy to learn and wins rather easy ... white can;t looooose
  
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Your last sentence is your answer, MNb.
  
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Reply #19 - 10/01/05 at 15:39:05
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I am not an expert on the KID, but hasn't Black after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 o-o 6.Be2 the choice of c5, Na6, e5 7.o-o Nc6, e5 7.o-o Nbd7 and Bg4? Not that these moves are of equal value.
  

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #18 - 10/01/05 at 05:00:20
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Considering that White is the one with all the choices in the Classical, I'm a bit surprised that isn't the most feared by pretty much all KID players.  Maybe some don't fear it as much because it's also the most thematic variation of the KID.
  
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Reply #17 - 09/30/05 at 09:00:07
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Back when I was playing the KID I hated the Classical most. Against the Sämisch I used a queenside attacking scheme (I think I found it in a book by Gufeld [?]) with fantastic results...
  
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Reply #16 - 09/29/05 at 15:00:25
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That question is easy to answer:

The Sämisch!!!

If there wouldn't be any Sämisch I would play the KID much more often!
For one reason or another I find the Sämisch theory unfathomable and I often end up in lost positions on the black side even against weaker players.
I find the positions I get out of theory unattractive for the black player.

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #15 - 09/17/05 at 18:32:21
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Easiest to hardest pour moi:

1.Petrosian
2.Exchange
3.Makaganoov (I only played one player who actually knew what he was doing in this line and I came up with an interesting yet slightly sub par novelty that threw him off and went on to win)
4.Averbakh
5.Classical
6. 4 pawns (up to this point, not much trouble with any of these)
7. Saemisch (this one makes me want to pull all my hair out. I have like a 20% score with this line (horrible compared to my other lines).

I don't even mention the fianchetto and anti-indians because they don't really count in my oppinion. If they did then I would say that fianchetto is easy (switch to grunfeld) and Trompowsky is a very tough nut to crack.
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #14 - 09/14/05 at 22:17:39
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Interesting information on the Makagonov, notyet.  I never liked an early h3 for White in KID, so I will have to take a close look at Krasenkow's games and learn something!  Shocked
  
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Reply #13 - 09/14/05 at 20:10:51
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I became impressed with the Makogonnov system agains the KID (an early h3) when I saw the KID player GM Radjabov use it to win against the KID at the European Individual Championship. I then found out that GM Krasenkow has scored like 80%(!) using it during his career. It seems like a very strong anti-KID weapon in the hands of someone who knows how to use it. In the previous generation GM Bent Larsen was its major proponent.
  
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Reply #12 - 09/09/05 at 10:43:09
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It is noteworthy that Gallagher himself switches from 1. e4 to 1. d4 just so that he can take on other people's King's Indian with... the Samisch  Grin

When I tried the KID a long time ago (for a grand total of 1 week  Roll Eyes), I hated BLack's position in lines when White plays on the kingside with moves like g4 or h4, such systems include the Makagonov 5. h3, some Classical lines, and yes, the Samisch!
  
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Reply #11 - 09/09/05 at 10:40:21
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the excahnge is not to be worried about and anti indians are not so good them selves not very ambitous in the same tourney i played against he torre in KI fashionn and drew easily against a higher rated opponent


Any lines or better still games which cover anti -indians which you can put up here so that i can have a closer look at them?? Some explanations on their basic ideas would be good too. Chess like maths & physics, I always need my diet of 'worked examples' before i understand anything.
  

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Reply #10 - 09/09/05 at 09:43:24
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Thanks, I will surely check it out. Kotronias is one of those players I follow a bit for opening inspiration (e.g. the Bg5 Najdorf)
  

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Reply #9 - 09/09/05 at 08:59:59
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In that case I would heartily recommend (even now) Kotronias' Beating the Flank Openings if you can get your hands on a copy.  Elsewhere on this forum I have criticised the book, because it doesn't really do what it says: in particular for non-KID players, such as myself, there is no sensible way to meet the Reti proposed.

However, if you do play the KID the book is excellent as it features an all-purpose King's Indian-style system against the English which could easily be used against a Reti move order (White can only really avoid it by playing d4 at some point and transposing back into a mainstream KID).

And if you ever do fancy a change from the KID, then the alternative he proposes against the English (basically the Reversed Dragon lines 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 d5 and variants thereof) is very good and excellently presented.  Just be aware that you won't be able to do this against the Reti!
  

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #8 - 09/09/05 at 06:34:58
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Yeah but it doesnt cover the flank openings, esp the English. I dont have problems with those d4 "specials", only with the flank openings.
  

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #7 - 09/09/05 at 06:20:23
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Well, a while back he did write exactly that book: Beating the Anti-King's Indians.  However, this was published in 1996, so perhaps it is time for a rewrite ...
  

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #6 - 09/09/05 at 05:55:19
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Never have problems against the fianchetto as I switch to the Grunfeld (I do that too against other move orders where white doesnt play Nc3 and e4).
I do have problems against all the lame stuff like the English and the Reti. Gallagher should write a book about those from a KI perspective (preferably including the often overlooked things like the tromp). Would complement perfectly with his latest (excellent) book.
  

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Reply #5 - 09/08/05 at 22:29:44
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the excahnge is not to be worried about and anti indians are not so good them selves not very ambitous in the same tourney i played against he torre in KI fashionn and drew easily against a higher rated opponent
  
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Reply #4 - 09/07/05 at 08:37:22
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Anti Indians - The worstest of the worst. (oops! pardon the English, Smyslov Wink)Also those who exchange their d pawn for my e5 pawn in whatever system where e5 can be played.  (never drawn even once let alone win against these 2 !)  Angry

Others include 4 pawns & Petrosian, but these are a little more manageable than the above (at least for me).
  

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Reply #3 - 09/07/05 at 00:27:15
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From white side I am less comfortable with c6-a6-b5 plan against Saemisch. Aside of that KID seldom worries me.
  

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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #2 - 09/07/05 at 00:10:11
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I don't play the Black side of the KID except in blitz because I just don't trust it.  Having said that, if White were always to play the 4 Pawn or the Fianchetto systems, maybe I'd play Black more often.  The Saemisch and Classical lines are the most popular for White, and there are excellent reasons for Black to fear both!
  
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Re: Whats the hardest to face??
Reply #1 - 09/06/05 at 20:46:52
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I have had the most wins playing vs the Saemisch and the reason is it is the most frequently system played against me.  It does not mean it is the easiest to play against for me.  I believe the 4 pawns is easiest for me to play against.

From easiest to hardest (for  me)--

1. Four pawns attack
2. Saemisch
3. Averbakh
4. Fianchetto
5. Classical
5. Double Fianchetto
  

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I am a kings indian enthusiast and was wandering waht we all thought was the hardest to face. I think the averbach is rather uncomfortable to play against and was wondering who thinks the 4 pawns samisch or fianchetto variation was there most feared line.
  
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