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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #14 - 08/18/09 at 16:28:49
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I´ve not bought Anand 11 but a look at the index convinced me it was a bit high-maintenance. I might still be persuaded but I doubt it - the transposition to the Bc4 Dragon is another thing...
  
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #13 - 08/18/09 at 09:37:52
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Why not tryıng to play Nc3 ınstead of c4 ? Anand 11 serıes. Fıscher always played Nc3 as far as I know. Gıve ıt a chance and see ıf the posıtıons suıts your style better.
  

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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #12 - 08/17/09 at 11:50:07
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I am one of those players! I like 9.0-0-0 against the standard Dragon, and against the accelerated Dragon the Khalifman lines look a bit too work-intensive for me  Sad I mean - how can an amateur be expected to maintain that repertoire? Its interesting stuff of course theoretically.

That leaves me thinking about playing the Maroczy myself as I have done before, even though I dont believe it gives White much and that Black is super-solid in the main-lines, at least its safe territory.
  
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #11 - 05/31/09 at 23:14:05
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True, but some players of the white side prefer 9.0-0-0 to 9.Bc4 and 10.h4 or 10.0-0-0 to 10.Bb3 against the regular Dragon.
  

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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #10 - 05/29/09 at 19:27:07
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This is kind of a cop out, and borderline off topic, but one idea is to just simply not play the Maroczy Bind! You can play Nc3 without c4, and just play those lines in the Accelerated Dragon. Khalifman's coverage in "Opening for White According to Kramnik 11" should be good enough.  Grin
  
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #9 - 05/25/09 at 01:41:41
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Tiviakov has a DVD on it which I just got recently and I'm working my way through it now.  So far I've found it useful, but a bit dry (no index so it's hard to pick which one to watch (just players, yr, etc) and I'll need to create an index for myself). I don't know what level you are, but Greet has a Starting Out book on the Accelerated Dragon and I've found the Maroczy coverage quite good, with pointers and plans for both sides well-presented.  He mentions the Tiviakov DVD in his analysis so it's pretty thorough and up-to-date.
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #8 - 05/23/09 at 23:54:18
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OAK 3 does probably the best job on the Maroczy for white. People are looking for a step-by-step explanation of the plans, when that actually isn't too feasible.

That doesn't work well in the Maroczy, as it is all about precision in the move orders. The key to understanding those move orders is playing through the variations. You'll also come to understand the plans that way.
  

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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #7 - 05/23/09 at 14:18:20
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There is of course Experts vs the Sicilian but the Nc2 plan does not give any advantage if black plays a move where books written for black player claims that black is slightly better (and computers tend to agree) and Experts claim that white is slightly better.

Starting out 1 e4 also recommends the Maroczy for white but that chapter is crap since one of blacks most solid options is unmentioned, a line that Nc2 was designed to avoid.

Beating the Sicilian 3 covers marozy as well but is a bit dated.

I fail to remember if Pawn Structure Chess has a marocy chapter or not but i think it has. That book would be my recommendation.
  
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #6 - 05/23/09 at 13:25:11
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I meet the Maroczy as White. But I am an 1.d4-player, so there are some move order issues as well.

This is a thread I started but maybe at the wrong place,
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1242471716

Please recommend some books in addition to the Khalifman book.
  

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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #5 - 09/14/05 at 23:07:33
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I don't have Davies' book.  Would you be able to state the main line? In the mean time, I'll look up some Maroczy bind games.  I already have one or two in mind, but I'd like to go through them again.
  
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Reply #4 - 09/14/05 at 23:00:44
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Well this is apparently. Apparently ChessLive does not save all my games as I thought it did. As a result I do not have any nonblitz Maroczy games. Can someone instead give a master game(s) where white wins via some plan rather than black self destructing ( I have no problem against prematurely violent attempts)
I read Davies recommendation but my problem with it is if black doubles on the c file the c pawn is pinned and so I have two less defenders aiming at b5. This means a4 is essentially forced. But all Nc2 accomplishes is a restraint of black. Once the Nc2 moves away there will be a hole on b4 and I still don't see an active plan for white.
The main problem I have is that restraining black is not an option since it is impossible to stop b5, f5 and d5 indefinitely. I'm about expert strength and I have no problem with slow positional games (I also play the Catalan) but the foundation behind good positional chess is a good plan.
  
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #3 - 09/14/05 at 02:24:01
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That's an interesting piece of insight from Nielsen, which sounds so sensible i wonder why nobody else has said it!  Smiley
 
6. Nc2 was also recommended by Davies in Dynamic Reti (from symmetrical english transposition). To be honest, I think this  type of position is hardly suitable for the average 1. e4 open sicilian player looking forward to aggresive kingside attacks, unless that player is very versatile (unlikely imho at <2300 elo ).  Wink  Surely one more reason to play the Rossolimo? a few good books are on the way!
  
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #2 - 09/13/05 at 23:05:53
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You might consider picking up "Experts vs. the Sicilian" and perusing Nielsen's chapter on the Accelerated Dragon. He recommends playing 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4 Bg7 6.Nc2 because, without going into too much detail, "White would prefer either to keep all four minor pieces, or to exchange them all!" Since Black doesn't have to cooperate in exchanging all of the minor pieces off, it is easier just to try and keep them on.  Smiley
  
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Re: How to play the Maroczy bind?
Reply #1 - 09/13/05 at 19:16:43
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Arthur, 

Would you be able to give us a game so we can sink our teeth into the problem in a more concrete way?  It's hard to make broad recommendations without knowing exactly which positions are causing you problems.
  
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How to play the Maroczy bind?
09/13/05 at 18:07:20
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I've been having trouble against the accelerated dragon. I set up a Maroczy bind but have trouble finding an active plan. The games that give me the most trouble are those where black plays for b5 and if I play a4 a well placed piece on b4 tie me down enough that I can't initiate any sort of kingside attack. Also problematic are lines where black exchanges knights on d4. It seems 3 pieces are too few for black to be cramped. As a result I have trouble maintaining any sort of advantage even against weaker players. (Note I do wish to continue playing the Maroczy since I do not believe in white alternatives and I transpose into it as a solution in other openings.)
  
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