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Re: Please, refute the BDG if you can.
Reply #5 - 09/14/05 at 00:56:31
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1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4  3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef3 5 Nxf3 Bg4  6 h3 Bxf3 7 Qxf3 c6  8 g4 e6  9 g5 Nd5  10 Bd3  Bb4  11 00  00  12 Ne4
Ne7  13  c3 Bd6  14 Qg4  c5  15 Nf6+!  gf6  16 Bxh7+!!  Kxh7
17  Qh5+  Kg8  18 gf6  Ng6  19 Qh6,  Black Resigns

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Re: Please, refute the BDG if you can.
Reply #4 - 09/13/05 at 23:36:58
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From Fluffy: Quote:
1.d4 d5 2.e4? ed4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 ef3=+


5.Nxf3 unclear at the moment.

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1.d4 d5 2.e4 exd4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3 Bg4 6.h3 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 c6 (you may consider this a conditional move if you prefer an alternative for White).


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Re: Please, refute the BDG if you can.
Reply #3 - 09/13/05 at 22:53:42
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Black has nothing to prove in the BDG. He is a pawn up in a safe position, with statistics heavily favoring him.

So come back when you can show a healthy += in all lines. 5...Bg4, 5...e6 and 5...g6 probably are the lines you should handle first. But then there also are 5...a6(!), 5...c6 and 5...Nc6.

Please make sure that you at least have considered all replies from tournament praxis where Black is a strong player (2400+) and all replies for Black suggested by Fritz, Junior or another strong analysis engine.
  

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Re: Please, refute the BDG if you can.
Reply #2 - 09/13/05 at 21:59:48
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Let's settle this once and for all.  

No words.  No BS, from either side.

All I want are variations here: if you think you can show a clear -/+ or better, please do so with variations.  No talking.  Just variations.

You guys talk too much.  If you want us to shut our mouths about the gambit, please show us why.

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1 d4 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nc3 ...  


-/+ is asking a lot from Black.  I don't think that White is lost by playing the BDG, simply that he no longer can be said to have the advantage.  Viewing chess as a game solved to a draw with best play, this is immaterial, and in that sense, I do not think the BDG will ever be refuted.

But I am willing to take up the position from the other thread, if only so that I learn something.  Perhaps it will teach me to be more ambitious against the BDG.  At least, understand that I am playing for =+, and would not be disappointed with static equality, so if seeing such a continuation is insufficient to convince you, then you need not reply.  Others may prefer more enterprising play with Black.  For me, play continues:

1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3 Bg4 6.h3 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 c6 (you may consider this a conditional move if you prefer an alternative for White).
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Re: Please, refute the BDG if you can.
Reply #1 - 09/13/05 at 21:28:30
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1.d4 d5 2.e4? ed4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 ef3=+
  
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Please, refute the BDG if you can.
09/13/05 at 20:49:15
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Let's settle this once and for all. 

No words.  No BS, from either side.

All I want are variations here: if you think you can show a clear -/+ or better, please do so with variations.  No talking.  Just variations.

You guys talk too much.  If you want us to shut our mouths about the gambit, please show us why.

NeX iRae

1 d4 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nc3 ... 
  
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