Latest Updates:
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4? (Read 11046 times)
fightingbob
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline



Posts: 6
Location: Madison
Joined: 10/20/05
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #26 - 10/24/05 at 00:57:20
Post Tools
The Sveshnikov and Kalishnikov remind me a bit of the Classical Kings Indian.  Black has positional problems on the queenside, but has active pieces and/or chances of a kingside attack in both variations (and a fairly safe king unlike many Sicilians)  I suppose any line of the Sicilian where black plays e5 fits this description to some degree.

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #25 - 09/20/05 at 00:52:58
Post Tools
BK,

I'll take a serious look at your earlier question and answer it later (tomorrow perhaps) in the other forum.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #24 - 09/20/05 at 00:50:08
Post Tools
Ok,

I've started another thread in the 1.e4... forum on the Caro-Kann (g6 variations) for the KID/KIA player.

I'm going to duplicate the first post here, but then I expect that both these threads will continue and move in different directions.  Castlerock, I still agree with your first comment.  It's not so much that the Caro or other openings can't be discussed here, but if we are going to specialize in one Caro line, we should add it to the Caro forum.  Here's my first post in the other thread:

Hi all!

Basqueknight and others, including myself, have been discussing what's the best line for a KID/KIA player against 1.e4.  The topic has turned to the Caro-Kann variation: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 g6 (or possibly 2...g6) as an interesting attempt to play similarly to the KID.  Castlerock made the suggestion, which I agree with, that we continue at least that part of the conversation over here so we can get some input from Caro-Kann specialists, and anyone else who wants to participate, of course!  What do you all think?

If you want to see the original thread, go to the King's Indian forum and look up the KID/KIA thread.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
castlerock
God Member
*****
Offline


Erro Ergo Sum

Posts: 842
Location: Chennai
Joined: 02/24/05
Gender: Male
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #23 - 09/20/05 at 00:33:02
Post Tools
Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa Grin I was in KID forum amusing myself with another thread Tongue And I answered this without giving so much of a thought. Still, if some thing is going to attract serious discussion, it is better to place it in the appropriate forum.

After all, a researcher in Caro is not going to visit KID forum. Is he? Wink
  

CastleRock
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #22 - 09/20/05 at 00:06:28
Post Tools
Well i think this thread is well placed. Some one asks what we KID players play against e4 and we tell him and give him suggestions. He is looking for some one to relate too. This is important. If he posted it in the e4... section than a lot of non KI players would contribute as well often not understanding the Kings Indian them selves. So maybe our little kings indian fan base can handle a question like this.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #21 - 09/20/05 at 00:03:08
Post Tools
Agreed, Castlerock.

I'll get one started there later if BK hasn't already done so.

(I've already moved the discussion you spoke of to the General Chess forum.)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
castlerock
God Member
*****
Offline


Erro Ergo Sum

Posts: 842
Location: Chennai
Joined: 02/24/05
Gender: Male
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #20 - 09/19/05 at 23:56:46
Post Tools
Quote:
What do you think smyslov fan?
Or any one esle for that matter.


What I think is that you are starting to discuss Caro-Kann in KID forum. I am involved in a thread in 1.d4 d5 forum which actually belongs to General Chess forum. ???

I suggest you modify this post and open a new thread in 1.e4 ... forum. Wink
  

CastleRock
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #19 - 09/19/05 at 22:45:45
Post Tools
I was thinking some more about this thread and about what draws people to the kings indian. I started thinking about the caro-kann again. There is a controverisial line that will remain controversial till were all long gone.

The bronstein-larsen variation is very double edged. The positions are fun to play and white must no what he or she is doing to survive long.

What do you think smyslov fan?
Or any one esle for that matter.

The line i am refering to starts e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 de
4.Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6 gxf6. When bronstein was playing this constantly people feared it. In his book on zurich 53 he talked about how no one played e4 against him. This is quite funny when you see the other players would play e4 against others but not david iovonovich.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #18 - 09/19/05 at 10:18:59
Post Tools
Interesting line and i would rather much play the white side but i have a feeling if black can trade off pieces in favorable circumstances than the end game should be his with all thos reserve tempi.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #17 - 09/19/05 at 00:24:17
Post Tools
Petrosian played the system you recommend. 

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3. Nd2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 (4...Bg4 is also probably playable)5.h3 Nf6 (5...Nh6 has also been played) 6.Bd3 de4 7.Ne4 Ne4 8.Be4 0-0 9.0-0 Nd7 10.c3 was Adams-Martin from 1997.  Perhaps IM Martin can make some comment on this idea as compared to the KID?  Martin continued 10...c5 11.Bc2 cd4 12.Nd4 a6 13.Bg5 Nc5 14.Re1 Re8 15.Qe2 Ne6 16.Ne6 Be6 17.Be4 and Nunn, in NCO, thinks that White has a slight advantage.  I would much rather play the White side. 

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #16 - 09/18/05 at 23:48:19
Post Tools
Quote:
However, the idea of playing ...g6 and ...Bh6 is indeed treacherous. 


Why would you play Bh6 after g6 im putting my bishop on g7 where it should go. I dont know the thoery on it i jsut play ideas. I guess after the e pawn was traded it could resemble gleks kings indian with exd4. Activating the bishop.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Darthkrieger
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline


I'm your Daddy.

Posts: 22
Location: Missouri
Joined: 07/06/05
Gender: Male
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #15 - 09/17/05 at 18:18:01
Post Tools
Quote:
Correction, all players are afraid of the French Wink

I'll grant you that the french is not very similar to the KIA (but is to the KID), except for the standoff in the center. Then again no e4 black opening is. Basically you often cant really copy a white opening concept to the black side in e4 or d4 openings. I dont even think the KIA and KID are that similar.


I realize that I am not the greatest player in the world but not only was I not afraid of the French when I was an e4 player but I am for sure not afraid of the French when I play the KIA (I usually play 1.d4 but if I know my opponent plays the french I play the KIA against him because I get good results against it). I respect the French and think it is one of the best openings black can play (beautiful ideas and whatnot) but I am definitely not afraid of it. I actually ENJOY playing against it. Quite fun.  Wink

Darth Krieger
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #14 - 09/16/05 at 14:11:19
Post Tools
Quote:
You might try looking at the caro-kann gurginidze (sic) system as well. The ideas can be similar. ...


This is a very interesting idea, BK.  The Gurgenidze variation of the Caro-Kann is one reason that White plays 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2! instead of 3.Nc3.  However, the idea of playing ...g6 and ...Bh6 is indeed treacherous.  The main problem  I see with it is that it won't stand up as a long-term repertoire system.  Opponents will quickly be able to come up with alternatives that will avoid the Gurgenidze or will prepare for it and be able to score well.  I don't really have anything concrete to replace it with apart from the Spanish that I already mentioned, so some players may want to look into this rare sideline.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
alumbrado
God Member
*****
Offline


Esse quam videri bonus
malebo

Posts: 1418
Location: London
Joined: 02/17/03
Gender: Male
Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #13 - 09/16/05 at 09:47:03
Post Tools
Quote:
it will be a long time for some one to write one on the owens


Au contraire!  Christian Bauer (a 2600+ GM who regularly trots out 1...b6) has a book coming out in about a month's time hopefully: http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=264

Also, Chess Pub's very own Andrew Martin has a book coming out on the Hippo, which often starts from an Owen's move order (certainly this is what AM himself has been doing lately).

  

If sometimes we fly too close to the sun, at least this shows we are spreading our wings.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: KID/KIA player -> what to play against 1 e4?
Reply #12 - 09/16/05 at 09:32:35
Post Tools
Oh and for material check out starting out the pirc/modern, it will be a long time for some one to write one on the owens! Maybe i will hehe. But pirc alert by lev albert is very very good.

For the owens i recomend using our wonderful forum and checking out the games of Blatny and Filipovic. Both are good references. Check out some of the hippo setups from Nona Gaprindashvili. Her play in this system is always encouraging.

You can get cds and what not on the Siclians and Modern and Pirc.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo