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woofwoof God Member Offline chess is like life Posts: 929 Location: Singapore Joined: 07/04/05 Gender:	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #11 - 10/06/05 at 21:56:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thats right Kevin. Its a std reply for black in response to g4. I learnt this while reading up on the saemisch back then. The same principles apply here as well.

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kevinludwig Full Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 233 Location: Los Angeles Joined: 06/13/04	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #10 - 10/06/05 at 15:50:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	In regard to the g4 move by white: I had heard from a KID player that g4 lines can be avoided by black if he plays h7-h5 before g6-g5. Can anyone confirm or deny?


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #9 - 10/05/05 at 22:27:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	Markovich, When White plays g4, it often serves as a douse of cold water on Black's king's side attack. If White plays g4 and Black can still whip up an attack on the K-side, chances are pretty good that White mis-timed the move. Having said that, I agree that Be3 is a lot easier and more fun for White to play. It doesn't stop the attack, but at least it helps get White's Q-side play going!


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #8 - 10/05/05 at 15:28:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	Personally I would rather play 7. Be3 and avoid all this nonsense. Why give Black exactly the sort of closed, play-for-mate game that he wants? Personally, I prefer a more fluid, maneuvering game. After 7. Be3, Black still has a great deal to prove.

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #7 - 10/05/05 at 06:09:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	yes 11.g4!? is a line that interests me also, since it pre-empts Blacks k-side play. It looks like very complex play. I still like the simple plan of Be3, f3 also and then playing on the q-side with a4 - Blacks kside attack does not seem quick enough to me, although playing it over the board is another thing.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #6 - 10/05/05 at 02:26:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Inn, I like the 11.g4 idea against Ne8, but against Nd7 it doesn't inspire me. I played that way once against a FM and managed to get the weirdest draw I've ever had: A 50 move rule draw on move 68 or so. We had locked up most of the pawns and neither of us (especially my opponent) could work up an attack.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #5 - 10/05/05 at 02:23:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	Woofwoof, Fischer said some things about openings that I'm sure he wishes he could take back. There's a great game, Korchnoi-Hulak, that showed Ne1, Be3, f3 and then Bf2 was a great plan. It is now one of the main lines again. It has been a topical line ever since Taimanov got opening advantages in his losses to Fischer in the Candidates Match of 1971.


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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #4 - 10/04/05 at 20:49:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	9. b4 reminds me of the main line in sicilian sveshnikov 9. Bxf6 with White trying to poke at Black's holes. Black is fine in the Bayonet if he has studied it, but he goes under extremely quickly if he hasn't. In general I like lines where White advances on the kingside so 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. f3 f5 11. g4!? always fascinated me. The following recent game is spectacular! [Event "Amsterdam Chess Tournament"] [Site "Amsterdam NED"] [Date "2005.07.20"] [EventDate "2005.07.16"] [Round "5"] [Result "1-0"] [White "I Cheparinov"] [Black "D Stellwagen"] [ECO "E99"] [WhiteElo "2634"] [BlackElo "2533"] [PlyCount "72"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. f3 f5 11. g4 Kh8 12. h4 Ng8 13. g5 f4 14. Kg2 h6 15. Rh1 Rf7 16. Nd3 Bf8 17. Qg1 Kg7 18. Kf1 Be7 19. Bd2 hxg5 20. hxg5 Bxg5 21. Nb5 Bh6 22. c5 a6 23. Na3 Ndf6 24. Nc4 Ne8 25. Ncxe5 dxe5 26. Nxe5 Rf6 27. Bc3 Kh7 28. Qg5 Qe7 29. Bd4 Qf8 30. Kf2 Ng7 31. Rag1 Nh5 32. Rxh5 gxh5 33. Qxh5 Ne7 34. Bd3 Bf5 35. exf5 Rd8 36. Ng4 1-0


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woofwoof God Member Offline chess is like life Posts: 929 Location: Singapore Joined: 07/04/05 Gender:	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #3 - 10/04/05 at 12:45:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	I dont think white's f3 is played anymore as a response to black's f5 cos after black's advance f4 followed by g5 etc it has been analysed to a forced mate for black. (so says Fischer). As far as i know (that was a a long time ago) white usually responds exf5. After this probably black's best reply is gxf5 keeping a mobile pawn ctr. Black's alternative response of Nxf5 is a more solid/conservative reply.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #2 - 10/04/05 at 12:25:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	I love the Mar del Plata Variation of the Classical KID for White and have often played 9.Ne1. Alekhine 2 is exactly right to point out that Black's ...Ne8 instead of Nd7 has become the weapon of choice in this variation. Even so, I have faith that White's game is very promising. For the record, here are the moves: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.Nf3 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 (This is the real starting point of the Mar del Plata, but some books start a bit earlier in the line.) and now: 9.Be3?! 9.Ne1 9.Nd2 9.b4 have all been played. Kramnik's use of the "Bayonet Attack", 9.b4, has put all the focus on this move. I still like 9.Ne1, but my results haven't been as impressive as Kramnik's. I'm sure it's only because of the opening though! Maybe a bit later on I'll share an interesting game I had in the 9.Ne1 line.


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alekhine 2 Guest	Re: Mar del Plata Variation Reply #1 - 10/04/05 at 08:37:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	the idea ...Ne8 for Black instead of ...Nd7 is also interesting - that way it keeps an eye on the potential invasion on c7


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Mar del Plata Variation 10/04/05 at 06:47:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have to admit I am not a Kings Indian man, but I always found the Mar del Plata variation fascinating to watch, even if I had not got the guts to play it myself. The line I mean is the mainline KID classical where White plays Ne1 followed by Be3, f3 etc. and then plays on the Q-side. In the meantime Black goes on the K-side - ...Nd7, ...f5, ...f4, ...g5 What is the current state of theory these days in this line KID experts? I know the Bayonet attack is all the rage, but fashion can change in an instant.


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