Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/02/07 at 22:11:30:


Smyslov, 
You are right about Rybka being "little fish." Vas posted that in the Rybka forum. I was confusing Rybka with "kafka", which means "little bird," at least in Czech. That was my suggested name for the new Rybka 3.0 GUI coming out at the end of the year.
   
   Actually, I was thinking that 9 Nd2 might be a good compromise between 9 b4 and 9 Ne1.  I think that 9 Nd2 may have some commonality with 9 b4 because of possible transpositions with the Bayonet.
                              

I have not wrote that KI was busted but black have problem in corr. chess.

Of course some GM have interest in these lines especially theorician like Khalifman,alterman,kortchnoi...

cma6 wrote on 07/02/07 at 00:36:18:


Hi CMA,
1. I didn´t find Gligorics book too helpful to learn and understand MDP positions. To me it looked a bit one-sided in either direction, giving crushing wins for black in most variations apart from the bayonet, where one could get the impression that black is almost busted. Main problem for me was there isn´t much of written analysis or ideas behind the moves.

2. The book has a very good historical introduction with the first MDP games ever played plus good analysis of these important games. So I don´t regret the purchase.

3. Gligoric and others consider everything after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.Nf3 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 to be MDP, but Gligoric points out that only after Rf7, Bf7 and Rg7 "the Mar del Plata variation was born".

4. The most current books on the KID are the books of Gallagher and Golubev. I only bought the book of Golubev and am very happy with it, but Gallagher´s book get´s a lot of praise too. One of the eye-openers for me was that bayonet and 9.Nd2 are dealt with in one chapter by Golubev, as play may well transpose from bayonet to Nd2-positions after 9.b4 Nd7 10.c5 f5 11.Nd2 etc. vice versa.
Of course black has to take higher risks than in 9.Nd2 a5 variations, as well covered in Golubevs book, but he has a good chance to get the typical kingside attack.

Lou

"For a while I played 9. Ne1 followed by Be3, the most macho method of confronting the King's Indian.  But having to worry about being mated even after my game was "strategically won" eventually wore me out.  Nowadays I prefer 7. Be3 to 7. 0-0.  Still, if you don't mind giving your opponent the king attack that every KID player slavers over, by all means play 9. Ne1.  You'll win many games if you study up on 9...Nd7  10. Be3 f5  11. f3 f4  12. Bf2 g4  13. a4.  You'll also get mated a few times, I predict.
 
One of the key things to remember in this variation is that it's worth the exchange to eliminate Black's c8 bishop.  Having done that you can just stonewall on the kingside, reacting to ...g4-g3 with h2-h3.  Most Black's understand that, of course."
   
Thanks to Smyslov_fan and Markovich for the insights. "Rybka" means "little bird" in the Slavic languages, according to Vasilich, whose English, including slang, is better than that of 99% of English speakers I know.
    I'm willing to have a go at the 9 Ne1 variation (what about 9 Nd2?) since when I'm playing against the KID, I'm looking to win. However, the prospect of a black P sitting at g3 with my K at g1 is not comforting.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/02/07 at 04:39:23:


Rajlich, the author of Rybka, is a dual Czech-American, living in Hungary with a Polish Wife.

Not sure how you determine the nationality of a computer program, but maybe you can work it out from this  

[quote author=Smyslov_Fan link=1128426479/0#2 date=1128428701]
"I love the Mar del Plata Variation of the Classical KID for White and have often played 9.Ne1.  Alekhine 2 is exactly right to point out that Black's ...Ne8 instead of Nd7 has become the weapon of choice in this variation.  Even so, I have faith that White's game is very promising.   For the record, here are the moves:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.Nf3 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 (This is the real starting point of the Mar del Plata, but some books start a bit earlier in the line.) and now:

9.Be3?!
9.Ne1
9.Nd2
9.b4   

have all been played.  Kramnik's use of the "Bayonet Attack", 9.b4, has put all the focus on this move.  I still like 9.Ne1, but my results haven't been as impressive as Kramnik's.  I'm sure it's only because of the opening though!  "


I've spent the last 5 years playing the Bayonet Attack and I'm convinced it doesn't offer much for White. Radjabov as Black has shown (against Shirov and others) that White is often lucky to hold a draw if he plays the topical Nf3-g5-e6 line.
   So I want to explore 9 Ne1 and 9 Nd2. (Are these both called the Mar del Plata Variation?)
   I would appreciate recommendations for the most up to date books and/or web resources for these two moves.
I've just gotten Gligoric's  book on the Mar del Plata Variation. Any opinions on how useful/valid his conclusions still are?
                          Thanks, CMA

Welcome back Symslov_Fan. I posted a while back on this line, and I still believe in my solution.