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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #10 - 11/05/05 at 11:52:39
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@John,

In the French Tarrasch, I had always called 3...Nc6 the Taimanov variation.  Maybe I was wrong?
  
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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #9 - 11/04/05 at 13:36:02
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I don't think this is the Guimard, strictly speaking - that's 3 Nd2 Nc6, no?

Benko used to play 3 Nc3 Nc6. In the big biography Watson has a bit about it (including an interesting draw with Stein) and suggests it's an underrated option.
  
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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #8 - 11/04/05 at 03:50:51
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Not sure if that is a compliment or not.

My opponent is a very good friend of mine and we have played hundreds of games against each other. Lately I had gotten the upperhand which is why he decided to mix things up.

After looking at the line a little bit I have come to the conclusion that 4 e5 is good enough for an advantage in every line. If black plays in Winawer fashion he lacks the counterplay by c5 and Qc7(a5), if he plays in classical fashion he gets bottled up (f4 is imo a good answer to f6).
  

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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #7 - 11/02/05 at 20:44:58
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Willempie,

Ewww, squishy! Cry
  
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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #6 - 11/02/05 at 19:28:36
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As promised though it took a little while:
[Event "Intern"]
[Site "WILLEMPIE"]
[Date "2005.10.25"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Willempie"]
[Black "Makkie Tijn"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. e5 Bb4 5. a3 Ba5 6. Qg4 Kf8 7. Nf3 Nge7 8.
Bd3 Ng6 9. O-O Bb6 10. Ne2 Nce7 11. b4 Nf5 12. Qh5 Bd7 13. g4 Nfe7 14. Ng5
h6 15. Nxf7 Kxf7 16. Nf4 Bxd4 17. Nxg6 Nxg6 18. Bxg6+ Kf8 19. Be3 Bb6 20.
g5 Bb5 21. Qf3+ Kg8 22. Qf7#
1-0
I think 5..Ba5 and 7Nf3 are definately not the best, but otherwise I didnt see any major errors
  

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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #5 - 10/20/05 at 05:34:31
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Didnt see that thread. Funnily enough I played this line with white last tuesday. Apparently my opponent tried to surprise me with some weird opening setup, but it backfired bigtime. Will post the complete game when I have didgitalised it.
First moves (from memory):
1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Nc6 4 e5 Bb4?! 5 a3 Ba5? 6 Qg4 Kf8 7 Nf3 Ne7 8 Bd3
  

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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #4 - 10/19/05 at 22:49:44
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I was only aware of the line arisinga after the Nd2 move order being discussed. sorry for waisting space,
  
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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #3 - 10/19/05 at 20:10:10
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In which I recommended 4.Nf3 +=.
  

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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #2 - 10/19/05 at 13:04:35
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BK,

There's another thread on this.
  

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Re: Guimard Variation
Reply #1 - 10/19/05 at 10:38:21
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I found quite a few games in this line after crising on over to chesslive.de for a database search. Seems its quite popular for being a little anti-positional as far as the french goes here are a win loss and draw in this line.

[Event "EU-ch (Women) 6th"]
[Site "Chisinau"]
[Date "2005.06.11"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Zdebskaja,Natalia"]
[Black "Zielinska,Marta"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C10"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.e5 f6 5.exf6 Nxf6 6.Nf3 Bd6 7.Bg5 0-0 8.Qd2 Qe8
9.Bb5 Bd7 10.Bxc6 bxc6 11.Ne5 Rb8 12.Rb1 c5 13.Bxf6 gxf6 14.Nxd7 Qxd7 15.dxc5 Bxc5 16.0-0 Qf7
17.Rfe1 Rb4 18.g3 f5 19.a3 Rg4 20.Qe2 d4 21.b4 Bd6 22.Nb5 e5 23.Nxa7 h5 24.Nb5 h4
25.Nxd6 cxd6 26.b5 Rg7 27.b6 f4 28.g4 f3 29.Qe4 Qd7 30.Kh1 Rf4 31.b7 Rxe4 32.b8=Q+ Kh7
33.Rxe4 Qc6 34.Rbe1 Qxc2 35.Qb1 Qxb1 36.Rxb1 h3 37.Kg1 Rc7 38.Kf1 Kg7 39.Rb3 Rf7 40.a4 Kg6
41.a5  1-0

[Event "SVK-chT1W 0405"]
[Site "Slovakia"]
[Date "2004.10.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Petrik,Karol"]
[Black "Janos,Martin"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C10"]
1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 e6 4.e5 f5 5.f4 Nh6 6.Nf3 Nf7 7.Be3 Bb4 8.Bd3 Bd7
9.0-0 0-0 10.Ne2 Na5 11.b3 b5 12.Kh1 Be7 13.Rg1 Nh6 14.h3 Kh8 15.Ng5 Nc4 16.Bc1 a6
17.a4 Nb6 18.a5 Nc8 19.c4 bxc4 20.bxc4 Nf7 21.Nxf7+ Rxf7 22.cxd5 exd5 23.Nc3 c6 24.Qe2 Be6
25.Ba3 Bxa3 26.Rxa3 Qh4 27.Rf1 Ne7 28.Na4 Rg8 29.Nc5 Bc8 30.Qf2 Qh6 31.Bxa6 Bxa6 32.Nxa6 g5
33.Nc5 g4 34.a6 Nc8 35.Rb1 Na7 36.Rb7 Rfg7 37.Nd7 Nb5 38.Rd3 Ra8 39.Nf6 Rxb7 40.axb7 Rb8
41.Qc2 Qxf4 42.Qxc6 Qf1+ 43.Kh2 Qxd3 44.Qc8+ Kg7 45.Qd7+ Kf8 46.Nxh7+ Kg8 47.Nf6+ Kf8 48.Qc8+ Kg7
49.hxg4 fxg4 50.Qxb8 g3+ 51.Kh3 Qf5+ 52.Ng4 Qh7+ 53.Kxg3 Qd3+ 54.Kh2 Qh7+ 55.Kg1 Qb1+ 56.Kf2 Qc2+
57.Kg3 Qd3+ 58.Kh4 Qh7+ 59.Kg5 Qg6+ 60.Kf4 Qe4+ 1/2

[Event "Marseille (Women)"]
[Site "Marseille"]
[Date "2005.06.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Fernandez,Laura"]
[Black "Zielinska,Marta"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C15"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Be3 Bb4 5.Nge2 dxe4 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.Nxc3 Nf6 8.Bb5 Bd7
9.Bg5 a6 10.Bc4 h6 11.Bh4 Bc8 12.d5 Ne5 13.Ba2 Ng6 14.Bxf6 Qxf6 15.0-0 0-0 16.Nxe4 Qxb2
17.dxe6 Bxe6 18.Bxe6 fxe6 19.Qg4 Nf4 20.g3 Qxc2 21.Rae1 h5 22.Qh4 Nd3 23.Re3 Nxf2 24.Nxf2 Rxf2
25.Rxf2 Qc1+ 26.Kg2 Qxe3 27.Qxh5 Rf8 28.Rxf8+ Kxf8 29.Qh8+ Kf7 30.Qc8 Qe4+ 31.Kg1 Qc6 32.h4 b5
33.Qd8 Qc5+ 34.Kh2 Qf2+ 35.Kh3 Qf1+ 36.Kh2 Qe2+ 37.Kh3 Qf1+ 38.Kh2 Qf2+ 39.Kh3 Qc5 40.Qd7+ Qe7
41.Qd3 Kg8 42.Qe4 Qd6 43.Qg6 Qd5 44.Qe8+ Kh7 45.h5 Qe4 46.g4 c5 47.Qe7 Qf3+ 48.Kh2 Qxg4
49.Qxc5 Qf5 50.Qb6 Qxh5+ 51.Kg1 e5 52.Qxa6 Qg6+ 0-1

If you run the starting moves into the database you will find many many different ways of playing the position. This alone could maybe constitute a deeper look at this line.
  
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C10: Guimard Variation
10/19/05 at 10:23:53
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I was wondering is is possible to play 1e4 e6 2d4 d5 3nc3 nc6. I think perhaps if one could they could playa highly original frnench with out the counter attack to the d pawn with c5. It might just be off beat enough to surpise some one on your next trip to the club.

Any thoughts and has this been played by any strong players?
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