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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #11 - 12/06/05 at 05:19:42
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I like the solution offered for White by Nigel Davies in Taming the Sicilian: (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6) 3.e5 Nd5 4.g3!? - a move often tried in the analogous position after 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5.

Davies argues pretty convincingly that Nf3 must be a more useful (and less committal) move than c3.  True, the black Nd5 won't be attacked directly when the bishop comes to g2, but black will most likely play ...e6 anyway, so it doesn't make much difference.
  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #10 - 12/05/05 at 11:34:24
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This gets some really rather extensive coverage in Experts vs the Sicillian where they end up recommending 3 Nc3. Black has still got plenty of independent options like 3.. e6/ 3.. d5 etc at this stage although they are perhaps rather risky.
(I've very briefly toyed with 3 Nc3 e6 4 e5 Ng8?! but in the end it's rather too silly Smiley).

Asides from it's usage as a fully independent option though there's the possibility of using 2 .. Nf6 as an anti - anti - sicillian move order by provoking either e5 or Nc3 blocking the c pawn. (^ 3 Nc3 d6 etc).

While white can get back to pure c3 sicillian lines, it does look perhaps annoying for Moscow variation players as well as people planning various Be2/Bc4 systems.

The question is then whether the independent options like 3 e5 Nd5 4 Nc3 NxN 5 dc/bc or 4 d4 cd 5 Qxd4 e6 are more dangerous. I'd guess they're probably just different.
  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #9 - 12/05/05 at 10:10:09
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Belated thanks for the games Arturo.

From looking at the results it sure does seem that it isnt very promising for black. Only 3 draws out of 8 games! Soo.... this might justify my opinion abt remaining straight when playing the sicilian!
  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #8 - 11/28/05 at 23:29:52
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Some books also calls it Rubinstein System. A first impression of the following is White hold a long initiative and if Black can still stay alive, they will have to survive in an some inferior endgame. Any Black mistake can be lethal.

From 8 games in which one of the player is a 2600 elo-rated, White did not loose any game.



[Event "24th OCF NthAmOp"] 
[Site "Stillwater USA"] 
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Onischuk,Al"] 
[Black "Gossell,T"] 
[Result "1-0"] 
[WhiteElo "2638"] 
[BlackElo "2209"] 
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "2"] 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. b3 Nc6 
6. Bb2 Nxc3 7. Bxc3 d5 8. exd6 Qxd6 9. Bc4
Bd7 10. O-O O-O-O 11. Re1 f6 12. a3 e5 13. b4 Nd4 14. bxc5 Qxc5 15. d3
Nxf3+ 16. Qxf3 Bc6 17. Qe2 Bd5 18. Bxd5 Qxd5 19. Bb4 Kb8 20. Reb1 Bc5
21. c4 Qc6 22. Bxc5 Qxc5 23. Rb5 Qd4 24. Rab1 b6 25. h3 Rc8 26. Qf3 Rhd8
27. R1b3 e4 28. Qg3+ Qd6 29. Rxb6+ 1-0 

[Event "3rd ACP Blitz Octofinal"]
[Site "playchess.com INT"] 
[Date "2004.??.??"] 
[White "Landa,K"] 
[Black "Shabalov,A"] 
[Result "1-0"] 
[WhiteElo "2550"] 
[BlackElo "2624"] 
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "2"] 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. Ne4 Nc6 6.
Bb5 f5 7. exf6 Nxf6 8. Qe2 Be7 9. d3 O-O 10. Bxc6 bxc6 11. O-O Rb8 12.
b3 Nxe4 13. dxe4 d6 14. e5 d5 15. Ba3 Qa5 16. Bb2 Bd7 17. Ne1 Be8 18.
Qg4 Rf5 19. Nd3 Bh5 20. Qg3 c4 21. Nf4 Bf7 22. Rfd1 h5 23. h4 Qd8 24.
Ng6 Bc5 25. Bd4 Bxd4 26. Rxd4 Qb6 27. Rad1 Bxg6 28. Qxg6 c5 29. Rxd5
cxb3 30. axb3 c4 31. Kh1 Rbf8 32. Rd6 Qxf2 33. Qxe6+ Kh8 34. R6d4 Qe3
35. Qxc4 Qxe5 36. Rd8 Kh7 37. Rxf8 Rxf8 38. Qd5 Qf4 39. Qxh5+ Kg8 40.
Qg5 Qf7 41. Qd5 1-0 

[Event "Canadian Open"] 
[Site "Kapuskasing CAN"]
[Date "2004.??.??"] 
[White "Moiseenko,A"] 
[Black "Nataf,IA"] 
[Result "1/2-1/2"] 
[WhiteElo "2640"] 
[BlackElo "2553"] 
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "7"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 Nxc3 5. dxc3 Nc6 6. Bf4 h6 7. Bd3
e6 8. Qd2 Qc7 9. h4 b6 10. O-O-O Bb7 11. Be4 O-O-O 12. h5 Na5 13. Rhe1
Bxe4 14. Rxe4 Qc6 15. Qd3 f5 16. exf6 gxf6 17. b4 d5 18. Qa6+ Nb7 19. b5
Qd7 20. Qxa7 Bd6 21. Bxd6 Nxd6 22. Qxd7+ Kxd7 23. Rf4 Nxb5 24. Rxf6 Rdf8
25. Rxf8 Rxf8 26. Rd3 Ke7 27. Re3 Nd6 28. Re2 Rf5 29. Re5 Rf4 30. Re2
Rf5 31. Re5 Rf4 32. Re2 Nc4 33. Nd2 Nxd2 34. Kxd2 Rh4 35. g3 Rxh5 36.
Re1 Kd6 37. Rb1 Kc6 38. Re1 e5 39. c4 dxc4 40. a4 Rf5 41. Kc3 Rf3+ 42.
Kxc4 Rxf2 43. Rxe5 Rxc2+ 44. Kb3 Rg2 45. Re6+ Kb7 46. a5 Rxg3+ 47. Kc2
bxa5 48. Rxh6 a4 49. Kb2 Rb3+ 50. Ka2 Rb5 51. Rh4 Rb4 52. Rh6 Rb3 53.
Rh4 Rb4 54. Rh6 Rb6 55. Rh4 Ra6 56. Ka3 Kc6 57. Rh6+ Kb7 58. Rxa6 Kxa6
1/2-1/2 

[Event "Asian Teams"] 
[Site "Jodhpur IND"] 
[Date "2003.??.??"]
[White "Zhang Zhong"] 
[Black "Sriram,J"] 
[Result "1/2-1/2"] 
[WhiteElo "2666"] 
[BlackE6lo "2451"] 
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "6"] 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 6. b3 d6 5. Bb2 Bg4 6. h3 Bh5 7. Bb5+ Nc6 8. O-O Rc8 9. Re1 e6
10. Na3 a6 11. Bxc6+ Rxc6 12. Nc4 b5 13. Nxd6+ Bxd6 14. exd6 O-O 15. Re5
Bg6 16. d3 Qxd6 17. Nd2 f6 18. Re1 e5 19. a4 b4 20. Qf3 Nf4 21. Nc4 Qd5
22. Qg3 Ne6 23. Re2 Bh5 24. Re4 Bg6 25. Re3 Bf7 26. Rae1 Qd8 27. Qg4 Nf4
28. Rg3 Ng6 29. h4 Be6 30. Qe2 Nf4 31. Qe3 Bxc4 32. bxc4 Qd7 33. Qe4 a5
34. Bc1 Ne6 35. Qg4 Rf7 36. Bb2 Rd6 37. Ra1 Nf4 38. Qxd7 Ne2+ 39. Kh2
Rfxd7 40. Re3 Nd4 41. Rc1 Kf7 42. g3 Nc6 43. Kg2 b3 44. Ba3 Nb4 45. Bxb4
cxb4 46. cxb3 Rxd3 47. c5 R3d5 48. c6 Rc7 49. Re4 Rd3 50. Rc5 Rxb3 51.
Rxa5 Rxc6 52. Rb5 Rc2 53. Rbxb4 Rxb4 54. Rxb4 Ra2 55. g4 Kg6 56. Kg3 h5
57. f3 Ra3 58. Kg2 1/2-1/2 

[Event "TCh-CZE 2001-2"] 
[Site "CZE"] 
[Date "2002.??.??"] 
[White "Movsesian,S"] 
[Black "Markos,J"] 
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2624"] 
[BlackElo "2454"] 
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "8"] 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Bb5+ Bd7 5. Bxd7+ Qxd7 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 c4 8. b4
cxb3 9. axb3 Nc6 10. O-O h6 11. d3 Ng5 12. Nfd4 g6 13. Nxc6 bxc6 14. f4
Ne6 15. f5 gxf5 16. Rxf5 Bg7 17. Ng3 Nd4 18. Rh5 Qe6 19. Bf4 f6 20. Qd2
fxe5 21. Re1 e4 22. dxe4 dxe4 23. c3 Nxb3 24. Qc2 Qc4 25. Nf5 O-O 26.
Rxe4 1-0 

[Event "Mitropa Cup"] 
[Site "Leipzig GER"] 
[Date "2002.??.??"]
[White "Lutz,C"] 
[Black "Markos,J"] 
[Result "1-0"] 
[WhiteElo "2644"]
[BlackElo "2467"] 
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "8"] 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. Nxd5 exd5 
6. d4 d6 7. Bb5+ Nc6 8. O-O Be7 9. c4 a6 10. exd6
axb5 11. dxe7 Nxe7 12. cxb5 c4 13. a4 Bf5 14. Re1 O-O 15. Bd2 Ng6 16.
Ra3 Re8 17. Rxe8+ Qxe8 18. Re3 Qd7 19. Ne5 Nxe5 20. Rxe5 f6 21. Re3 Re8
22. h3 Re4 23. Rxe4 dxe4 24. Bf4 Be6 25. Qd2 g5 26. Bg3 Bd5 27. h4 h6
28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Qa5 Kg7 30. Qc7 Qxc7 31. Bxc7 f5 32. a5 Kg6 33. a6
bxa6 34. bxa6 Kh5 35. a7 Kg4 36. Kf1 f4 37. Bd6 Ba8 38. Bc7 Bd5 39. Be5
Ba8 40. Bd6 Bd5 41. Ke2 e3 42. fxe3 Bxg2 43. exf4 gxf4 44. Bb4 Bf3+ 45.
Kd2 Bd5 46. Kc2 Kf3 47. Bd2 Ke4 48. Kc3 f3 49. Be1 Ke3 50. a8=Q Bxa8 51.
Kxc4 Ke4 52. Kc5 Kf5 53. Kd6 Bb7 54. b4 Ba6 55. Kc6 Bd3 56. b5 Be4+ 57.
Kc7 Bd5 58. b6 Ke4 59. Bf2 Kd3 60. b7 Ke2 1-0 

[Event "ol (men)"] 
[Site "Elista RUS"] 
[Date "1998.??.??"] 
[White "Shirov,A"] 
[Black "Fernandes,An"] 
[Result "1-0"] 
[WhiteElo "2720"] 
[BlackElo "2480"] 
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "03"] 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nc3 d5 4. exd5 Nxd5 5. Bb5+
Bd7 6. Ne5 Nf6 7. Qf3 Qc7 8. Nxd7 Nbxd7 9. d3 O-O-O 10. Bf4 e5 11. Bg3
a6 12. Bc4 Nb6 13. O-O-O Bd6 14. Bh4 Be7 15. Bxf7 Kb8 16. Bg3 Rhf8 17.
Bc4 Nfd5 18. Nxd5 Nxd5 19. Qe4 Nf4 20. Rhe1 Bf6 21. c3 h5 22. h4 Rd7 23.
Bb3 g5 24. hxg5 Bxg5 25. Kb1 h4 26. Bh2 Re7 27. Re3 Qd6 28. Rf3 Rd8 29.
d4 Qc6 30. Qxc6 bxc6 31. dxe5 Rxd1+ 32. Bxd1 Nxg2 33. Rf5 Bh6 34. Rf6
Bg7 35. e6+ Kc8 36. Rg6 h3 37. Bg4 Nh4 1-0 

[Event "Bundesliga 98/99"]
[Site "Porz GER"] 
[Date "1998.??.??"] 8
[White "Timman,J"] 
[Black "Gisbrecht,E"] 
[Result "1/2-1/2"] 
[WhiteElo "2655"] 
[BlackElo "2405"]
[ECO "B29"] 
[Round "04"] 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. b3 Nc6 5. Bb2
e6 6. Bb5 Qc7 7. O-O Be7 8. Re1 O-O 9. Bc4 d6 10. exd6 Qxd6 11. Na3 Bf6
12. Qc1 a6 13. Bf1 b6 14. Nc4 Qc7 15. Ne3 Bxb2 16. Qxb2 Rd8 17. Bc4 Nf6
18. c3 Qf4 19. Rad1 e5 20. d4 cxd4 21. cxd4 exd4 22. Nd5 Nxd5 23. Bxd5
Qd6 24. Bxc6 Qxc6 25. Nxd4 Qf6 26. Nc6 Rxd1 27. Rxd1 Be6 28. Qxf6 gxf6
29. Rd6 a5 30. Nd4 b5 31. h3 a4 32. Nxe6 fxe6 33. Rxe6 Kf7 34. Rb6 Rc8
35. Rxb5 Rc1+ 36. Kh2 Rc2 37. bxa4 Rxa2 38. a5 Rxf2 39. Kg3 Ra2 40. Kf3
Kg6 41. Rd5 h5 42. g3 Ra3+ 43. Ke4 f5+ 44. Kf4 Ra4+ 45. Ke5 Re4+ 46. Kd6
Re3 47. Kc6 Rxg3 48. a6 Rxh3 49. a7 Ra3 50. Kb6 Rxa7 51. Kxa7 h4 52. Kb6
Kg5 53. Kc5 h3 54. Rd8 Kf4 55. Kd4 h2 56. Rh8 Kg3 57. Ke3 Kg2 58. Rg8+
Kf1 59. Rh8 1/2-1/2
  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #7 - 11/28/05 at 23:24:38
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I found 2 games on the Nimzo Sicilian. Both games black got creamed bad. Tongue It was the ease in which black got  into trouble that put me off from wanting to adopt something unusual in the sicilain to mix things up a bit. I guess its still best to remain 'straight' in the black side of the sicilian.

Keres P. - Winter W. [B29]
Warsaw 1935

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. Nxd5 exd5 6. d4 d6 7. Bg5 Qa5+ 8. c3 cxd4 9. Bd3 dxc3 10. O-O cxb2 11. Rb1 dxe5 12. Nxe5 Bd6 13. Nxf7 Kxf7 14. Qh5+ g6 15. Bxg6+ hxg6 16. Qxh8 Bf5 17. Rbe1 Be4 18. Rxe4 dxe4 19. Qf6+ 1-0


Gligoric S. - Larsen B. [B29] (Larsen of all people Shocked)
Zurich (1) 1959

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. Nxd5 exd5 6. d4 Nc6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Qxd5 Qb6 9. Bc4 Bxf2+ 10. Ke2 O-O 11. Rf1 Bc5 12. Ng5 Nd4+ 13. Kd3 Qg6+ 14. Qe4 d5 15. Bxd5 Bf5 16. Rxf5 Nxf5 17. e6 Rad8 18. exf7+ Kh8 19. c4 b5 20. b3 Qf6 21. Rb1 Bb4 22. Bf4 Rd7 23. Ne6 Qc3+ 24. Ke2 Rfxf7 25. g4 Nd6 26. Qd3 Qf6 27. g5 Qe7 28. Rf1 Qe8 29. Qh3 Rf5 30. Bxd6 Rxf1 31. Bxb4 Ra1 32. Bc3 Rxa2+ 33. Ke3 bxc4 34. Be4 Qg8 35. g6 cxb3 36. Ng5 Rc2 37. Qxd7 Rxc3+ 38. Kd2 Qc8 39. Nf7+ 1-0

 

  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #6 - 10/26/05 at 06:28:41
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Looking at those two games I don't think Black got creamed bad... in spite of the results.
If that is typical play for the Nimzo Sicilian then it is a very attractive fighting defense.
  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #5 - 10/26/05 at 01:38:39
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Oh! so you're a Larsen fan as well. Hmmm.... Well he & Moro  are similar in the sense that they like to venture into 'weird' or unpopular openings as a game strategy to get their opponents out of book as quickly as possible, & enter in a game where ability accounts for more than book knowledge.

Go ahead & experiment it out then. I doubt if most of the lower rated players at the club even know of such a line cos they'd probably be too booked up on the 'straight' sicilians. So it would be a good surprise to spring out. I would be interested to know if you find any move improvements along the way.

As for me, my mind is more or less made up....if i intend to stray, i will stray on the white side of the sicilian & play the  Wing Gambit, 2.b4 (ive played it before) which also gives quite interesting play & is as sharp as the Bc4 & Bg5 sicilians if not more. But thats for another thread.



  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #4 - 10/25/05 at 13:51:58
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Very interesting. I wouldnt put it above the danish prince to try such things but look at his opponent. hardley a fish. Larsen wasnt in his prime untill the late 60s and early 70s where perhaps he was only over shadowed by the likes of Fischer.  I think that the very mention of Larsen playing this line may be reason enough for us Morozevich-Larsen fans to take a closer look.
  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #3 - 10/25/05 at 11:47:13
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I found 2 games on the Nimzo Sicilian. Both games black got creamed bad. Tongue It was the ease in which black got  into trouble that put me off from wanting to adopt something unusual in the sicilain to mix things up a bit. I guess its still best to remain 'straight' in the black side of the sicilian.

Keres P. - Winter W. [B29]
Warsaw 1935

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. Nxd5 exd5 6. d4 d6 7. Bg5 Qa5+ 8. c3 cxd4 9. Bd3 dxc3 10. O-O cxb2 11. Rb1 dxe5 12. Nxe5 Bd6 13. Nxf7 Kxf7 14. Qh5+ g6 15. Bxg6+ hxg6 16. Qxh8 Bf5 17. Rbe1 Be4 18. Rxe4 dxe4 19. Qf6+ 1-0


Gligoric S. - Larsen B. [B29] (Larsen of all people Shocked)
Zurich (1) 1959

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. Nxd5 exd5 6. d4 Nc6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Qxd5 Qb6 9. Bc4 Bxf2+ 10. Ke2 O-O 11. Rf1 Bc5 12. Ng5 Nd4+ 13. Kd3 Qg6+ 14. Qe4 d5 15. Bxd5 Bf5 16. Rxf5 Nxf5 17. e6 Rad8 18. exf7+ Kh8 19. c4 b5 20. b3 Qf6 21. Rb1 Bb4 22. Bf4 Rd7 23. Ne6 Qc3+ 24. Ke2 Rfxf7 25. g4 Nd6 26. Qd3 Qf6 27. g5 Qe7 28. Rf1 Qe8 29. Qh3 Rf5 30. Bxd6 Rxf1 31. Bxb4 Ra1 32. Bc3 Rxa2+ 33. Ke3 bxc4 34. Be4 Qg8 35. g6 cxb3 36. Ng5 Rc2 37. Qxd7 Rxc3+ 38. Kd2 Qc8 39. Nf7+ 1-0

  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #2 - 10/20/05 at 08:02:25
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White can transpose to the Lasker-Alapin with 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cxd4 5.c3!?
  
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Re: Nimzo Sicilian
Reply #1 - 10/19/05 at 23:16:52
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This is an interesting variation, and I occasionally use it to mix things up a bit if I am playing a series with the same opponent.

I don't think it's a bad line, but against best play, White typically gets a stable space advantage while Black tries to negotiate the the e5 pawn.

I haven't read Martin's notes in depth, but I didn't see anything there that looked particularly new.

Black isn't really looking for a quick win...against an uninformed White player, more likely is the sequence 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.d4 d5 with equality.
  
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Nimzo Sicilian
10/19/05 at 22:46:45
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This doesnt belong in the open section,dragon,or anti so im putting it here anyway. 

What do ya all think about it heres a link to an article by andrew martin. [url]http://www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/Martin/FebPt
1.htm[/url]

there is a part two as well.

I dont like the idea of it but thats just my opninion im sure if some one were to pick it up they would score quite a few wins with it as it seems like a move from mars.
  
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