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Re: What is equalization?
Reply #3 - 11/19/05 at 03:21:56
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Bladez,

I made the mistake and this does not belong to KI. I have opened the tread again in the place where it belongs. "General Chess"

I have requested woofwoof to shift his response there and I would request the same here.

I would really appreciate if you can cut and paste your response again in "General Chess" 

Thanks for understanding.
  

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Re: What is equalization?
Reply #2 - 11/19/05 at 02:58:02
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Before I repeat my view on what equality is I will provide some background, some context to what what I am about to say about equality---

"The King's Indian is the best way for black to play against the Colle. Against a "pure" KID, I've tried this: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3 Bg7 4.Bd3 O-O 5.O-O d6 6.e4 

It seems to work good enough. Nothing great, but a small advantage for white. "

- Lost Highway 

and I replied with

"It is challenging to find a line in the Main line in which Black does not equalize, or the Saemisch, or the Averbak, or the Fianchetto, or the Petrosian..... and so on. And now we say that in the Colle, White keeps a small edge?? 

It is true that everyone has their own opinion, but not everyone has their "own" facts. So I want to know, and I am sure it will huge news when we send this to chesspublishing or the new in chess yearbooks, that White keeps a small edge in this or any line in the Colle. The whole world of chess will be grateful. 

Lost, I have agreed with you on other cases but here... I am sorry. A claim like this, a huge one, to say that black does not equalize here is just... fill in the blank. 

If you don't know by now, I like to champion the cause for Black in the King's Indian and I go for the gusto. 

I will do it in this case as well. After-- 

1. d4 Nf6 
2. Nf3 g6 
3. e3 Bg7 
4. Bd3 d6 
5. O-O O-O 
6. e4 Nc6 

I don't ... no, I can't fathom White stopping Black from equalizing. 

Hypothetical Variation A. 

7. c3 (white tries to maintain the center solid). 

7... e5 
8. d5 

(or 8.h3 d5 =) 

8... Ne7 
9. Ne1 (or 9.Bg5 Nh5) 

Black here can, if he wants, proceed with his typical attack in the Classical Main Line King's Indian and the absence of White's c pawn from c4 does not help White at all if he is to have counterplay on the Q-side. Why do this ? 


Hypothetical Varation B. 

7. h3 e5 
8. d5 

(or 8.c3 d5) 

8... Ne7 
9. Be3 Nd7 
10. Nbd2 f5 
11. Ng5 Nf6 
12. f3 f4 
13. Bf2 h6 
14. Ne6 Bxe6 
15. dxe6 Qc8 
16. c3 

(16. Bc4 c6) 

16.... Qxe6 
17. Bc4 d5 
18. exd5 Nfxd5 

I don't even see a trace of White's claim in this position, but I do see Black's. "


Then he replied ----

Blade - 

It's good to see that you have a brain in your head Too many people here just click buttons on their databases to find out what they should think. 

Ok, I played the Colle a few times, enough to realize that the KID is the best that black can do. No need to go to your line B, let's just look at line A. I'll play 9.Re1 instead of your 9.Ne1. After that. it's up to you, but if 9...Nd7 10.Bc2 f5 11.ef5 Nxf5 12.Ng5. I like white here, but not enough to make me give up 1.e4. 

- Lost Highway 

And here comes my reply which has my view, my perception on equality.

"For the sake of showing/sharing that White does not stop Black from equalizing in this set up, I will gladly take this further. 

I want to make sure I make myself clear. I am not getting suckered into playing a correspondence game like Sevenviolets and GM Prie. Therefore, I would like to agree on the definition of equalizing beforehand. When Black has has equalized, he has secured as much as White has or has his own trumps which equal White's. If white has play there then Black has play here. If the position is dynamic or unbalanced, they should weight as much as the other does. If white has snuffed any play away from Black, then White does not have any either. If white takes the counterplay away from Black and white has play himself, then White has an advantage. I hope we agree on this, because once Black has proven equality, I will have proven my point and hopefully closed this issue. 

What do you say? 

if you reply to my 9th move, which is 9... h6 I will take that as an agreement/treaty. " 

He did not accept the challenge or the offer.  But it did help to understand what being  better is and what equal is.
  

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Re: What is equalization?
Reply #1 - 11/19/05 at 01:41:32
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This actually belongs to General Chess. Looks like I goofed.. Needs to be shifted there. Sorry.

I’m reposting it in general chess since yaltmax is not around to shift it,

@woofwoof – Suggest you repost your response there and we can take it from there.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
  

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Re: What is equalization?
11/19/05 at 01:29:04
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Later edit : post transferred to General section
« Last Edit: 11/19/05 at 11:15:50 by woofwoof »  

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