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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #13 - 07/04/06 at 16:23:10
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Viking,

Mea culpa!

I'm so sorry to have mixed you up with TJ.  What a terrible insult, will you ever forgive me?
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #12 - 07/04/06 at 13:02:55
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/04/06 at 09:28:18:
Taljechin,
Thanks for the website reference......

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What makes u think TJ has two personalities.... Wink
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #11 - 07/04/06 at 09:28:18
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Taljechin,

Thanks for the website reference.  I took a stab and wrote to IM Andrew Martin.  Unfortunately it looks like the last contribution to InternetChess.com was back in 1999.  The reference is bizarre, and none of my British friends or relatives have heard that one before. 

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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #10 - 07/04/06 at 09:02:26
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TalJechin wrote on 07/04/06 at 07:24:27:
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I'm guessing that the Barry of the Barry attack is the same person and Mark Goeller was making an obscure joke on his behalf.  I'd never heard that Barry meant rubbish either.


I don't think Mark Goeller is the one making the joke, as I'm sure I've read that in a chess book or perhaps in an article, most likely it was a repertoire book for black.


Andrew Martin wrote this back in 1999(?):

"B) The Barry (bullshit for outside UK) Attack"

Source:
http://www.internetchess.com/columns/amartin/150barry.shtml]http://web.archive.o...[/url]
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #9 - 07/04/06 at 07:24:27
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I'm guessing that the Barry of the Barry attack is the same person and Mark Goeller was making an obscure joke on his behalf.  I'd never heard that Barry meant rubbish either.


I don't think Mark Goeller is the one making the joke, as I'm sure I've read that in a chess book or perhaps in an article, most likely it was a repertoire book for black.

Anyway, it's nice to see that even native speakers hadn't heard that slang before!



Btw, if any of the natives here feel like opening a new thread introducing us to the variety of dialects on the British Isles, I for one would be quite interested in learning about for example what differ Newcastle dialect from Liverpudlian and Manchester dialect, Yorkshire from Welsh english etc etc.

I've never been to the US still in american accents I think I'd be able to place a whole bunch reasonably accurately, but most British accents sound roughly the same to me.   Embarrassed
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #8 - 07/04/06 at 04:04:25
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A little research has produced the following:

The "Barry Attack" (D00): 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.e3 0-0 6.Be2 was played at least as early as 1931 by Soloviev against Kasparian.

The list of people who took up the Black side is really impressive, including Kasparov.

Here's a short list of famous people who lost as Black before 1990. (I chose that date because according to Goeller, the opening was first played in the 1980s.)

Dvoretsky, Gufeld, Vladimirov, Zsuzsa Polgar, Mark Hebden and quite a few others.

Polgar and Hebden later went on to play the position from the White side and still lost!   Embarrassed
Ok, they also won some.

Some of the "heroes" of the Barry, that is famous players who tried it more than once before 1990 include:

Sorokin, Kholmov, Pirc, Ian Rogers, Balashov, Antoshin, David Norwood, Julian Hodgson, Mark Hebden, Susan Polgar, and Prybil.  

One notable game was a victory by Kasparov as Black against Hort in 1988.  I guess by then the opening was known by the people Goeller cites.

DISCLAIMER:

As a fan of Smyslov, I recognise this general set-up from some of Smyslov's games (as White) in Zurich, 1953.  However, I would not consider this an attempt to win as White, and probably consider it a good way to lose!
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #7 - 07/04/06 at 03:29:57
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I decided to let my ignorance stand rather than delete my last posting.

The "Barry" of the Milner Barry attack was apparently Philip Stuart Milner Barry.  I thought it was two separate people, but you know those uptight err upright British aristocratic types with three or four first names and two or three surnames.  ("Col. Paget-Paget-Smith, etc. (Mrs.)" from Monty Python springs to mind.)  

I'm guessing that the Barry of the Barry attack is the same person and Mark Goeller was making an obscure joke on his behalf.  I'd never heard that Barry meant rubbish either.


ADDENDUM

I've done some research on Milner Barry now, and have discovered that he never (or almost certainly never) played 1.d4 in a serious game in his entire career stretching from 1928-1980.  So the Barry attack couldn't have been named after him. 

I have a few other leads to check on to see if there's a Barry who actually played that line.  I sincerely doubt that Mr. Goeller is right about the origin of the name.
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #6 - 07/04/06 at 03:21:53
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Alumbrado,

There must be some reason that there are openings attributed to Barry and yet very few games.  At least Rauzer backed up his openings with memorable games.  (Or is it just that I am sorely uneducated in the greatness of the founder of these "attacks"?)
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #5 - 07/03/06 at 10:37:11
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I have to say, it was news to me that "barry" means "rubbish" ... it must be some provincial thing which hasn't penetrated the great metropolis.
  

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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #4 - 07/02/06 at 18:16:01
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Yes indeed, and without any exceptions!  Wink
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #3 - 07/02/06 at 14:44:17
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Surely one just needs to study all Mark Hebden's many Barry games?
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #2 - 07/01/06 at 13:33:43
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There was also published some time ago an article written by Ukrainian IM Vladimir Okhotnik in Polish chess magazine "Panorama Szachowa". The author is an avid advocate of this line, and is using it mainly in rapidplay and blitz tournaments.
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #1 - 11/25/05 at 03:35:51
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I've had a look and congratulations on a great job! I will certainly use it, as I've only seen Summerscale and Lane's works so far. Hopefully I and other white players will improve more from it than future opponents with the black pieces!
  
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Barry Attack Bibliography
11/23/05 at 20:08:50
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I have posted a bibliography on the Barry Attack:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2005/11/barry-attack-bibliograp...

Thanks for the suggestions in this forum (before they vanished!)

Any further suggestions -- especially to online sources -- are most welcome.
  
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