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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #28 - 12/10/12 at 13:36:56
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tafl wrote on 12/09/12 at 21:14:38:
Milner-Barry certainly was one of the Bletchley Park code breakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_associated_with_Bletchley_Park.


It is surely a bit ironic that we have people who have mistakenly ascribed the Barry Attack to Sir Stuart Milner-Barry,  whilst many ignore his real and important contribution to Nimzo-Indian theory: 4 Qc2 Nc6 with the plan of ...d6 and ...e5. As I wrote in another thread:

IMHO Zurich variation is a misnomer and 4 Qc2 Nc6 (4 Qb3 Nc6 often transposes) should be attributed to the English player Milner-Barry who, according to the Oxford Companion, first played it at Hastings 1928-9 (Premier Reserves). For the next two decades it was one of the most popular lines against 4 Qc2, and featured frequently in the games of many of the best players of the time, such as Alekhine, Keres, Reshevsky, and Najdorf, as well as Milner- Barry's friend and long-time sparring partner Hugh Alexander, who used it to draw with Fine and to beat Euwe (who was probably the greatest apostle of 4 Qc2 in the 1930s-50s).
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #27 - 12/10/12 at 10:28:04
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John Cox - didn't know about the Cockney rhyming slang is that true? It would make sense. I talked with Mark Hebden one time about the Barry attack but never asked him how it got the name.
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #26 - 12/09/12 at 21:14:38
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Milner-Barry certainly was one of the Bletchley Park code breakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_associated_with_Bletchley_Park.
  

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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #25 - 12/09/12 at 20:55:38
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Good Lord, Smyslov Fan, how can you possibly not have heard of Sir Stuart?! Wasn't he one of the Bletchley code-breakers, hence the Sir? Certainly one of the grand old men of British chess, anyway (at least to someone of my generation; of course to Blackburne he was probably a kid in short trousers, and to Mieses a polite young man).

Surely the name Barry Attack originates with Mark Hebden and was his own preferred name, wasn't it? I'd definitely prefer it over Hebden Pseudo-London, or anything of that nature.

Barry btw is Cockney rhyming slang, I believe - Barry White, you see. Take a butchers on wikipedia if you don't know what I mean.
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #24 - 12/05/12 at 16:07:18
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That would be just before Hebden took it up I think! The survey title was probably reflecting the Murshed game where he hammered somone with the h4-h5 business. Rogers picked it up himself also for a bit.
  
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Reply #23 - 12/05/12 at 15:22:28
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Well, Ian Rogers (another significant figure in this context, I believe) called it "Murshed's Anti-KID System" when he did a Yearbook article on it, albeit about 20 years ago.
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #22 - 12/05/12 at 10:56:45
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Paddy - the Capablanca-Yates game is a great game by Capa but (not surprisingly) Whites opening play doesn't stand up to modern day standards. A pity, because Capablancas concept was nice.

TN - yes Murshed played one of the famous games but never really heard of it being called after him. In all fairness given the amount of games Mark Hebden has played over the years against patzers and GM's alike, it really deserves to be named after him, and perhaps will be in the future when we're all dead and gone and sensible people come along to rename the openings.
  
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Reply #21 - 12/05/12 at 00:45:17
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I'd always thought 'Murshed Attack' was the correct name.
  

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Reply #20 - 12/04/12 at 13:08:28
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Keano wrote on 12/03/12 at 16:28:45:
Yes, the name Barry Attack I never liked - it would be OK if people actually knew what "Barry" meant but even most native English speakers would not have a clue.

A more appropriate name would be "Hebden Pseudo-London Attack" or something along those lines.


I seem to recall that in an article in the British Chess Magazine some years ago Graham Burgess called this opening the "Hebden-Hodgson Attack".

The opening is also mentioned in Shereshevsky's legendary "The Soviet Chess Conveyer" (1994) in his chapter on "One-Game Openings" (i.e. surprise weapons, suitable for employing perhaps once per tournament!). He wrote that his interest in this line was aroused by the famous game Capablanca-Yates from New York 1924.

In his book "Chess Secrets" (1952) Edward Lasker mentions how uncertain even strong players were in the 1920s about how best to deal with the new ideas on opening strategy coming out of Europe. In his first round game at New York 1924, as White vs Maroczy, Lasker opted for 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 g6 3 Nc3, and in later rounds he was  imitated by Capablanca and Marshall. The line continued to be played through the 1920s but was eclipsed by the c4, g3 system advocated by Alekhine.

However, as with many lines of this type, it seems that Tartakower might well have been the pioneer (vs Wahltuch, London BCF 1922).
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #19 - 12/04/12 at 11:01:16
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urusov wrote on 11/23/05 at 20:08:50:
I have posted a bibliography on the Barry Attack:
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Any further suggestions -- especially to online sources -- are most welcome.

There's now a playable Barry Attack eBook (in CBV form, written by GMs Eric Prié & Aaron Summerscale, with some further annotations by Richard Palliser) on the main site. Smiley
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #18 - 12/03/12 at 16:28:45
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Yes, the name Barry Attack I never liked - it would be OK if people actually knew what "Barry" meant but even most native English speakers would not have a clue.

A more appropriate name would be "Hebden Pseudo-London Attack" or something along those lines.
  
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #17 - 07/06/06 at 19:37:29
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Just read throught this thread, and the linked bibliography by Mike Goeller (Mike: really like your Kenilworthian blog and you're Urusov Gambit page is outstanding - you converted me to an 'old school' (i.e., 3.d4 instead of 3.d3) Bishop's Opening Player on the spot!).  I had no idea that the Barry Attack was not named after someone named Barry, but meant Rubbish Attack.  Shocked  What a wonderful revelation!  Smiley
  

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Reply #16 - 07/06/06 at 08:23:37
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I hope I didn't give the impression that my list of notables who played the Barry was comprehensive.

Yes, I was familiar with GM Suetin's play.  There are quite a few others I didn't mention.  Pace to those I offended by omitting their contributions!
  
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Reply #15 - 07/05/06 at 19:01:59
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It was also famous Russian GMI A. Suetin who was using the Barry Attack in the 60/70 s. of the last century. He also taught that line to his friend K. Sznapik from Poland, brother of the ex-Polish champion Alexander. I let me remind his game played against... M. Hebden in 1986, in which the latter sacrified his queen for a bishop! I hope that GMI M. Hebden won't hit the roof seeing it here. Wink

K. Sznapik - M. Hebden Cappelle la Grande 1986

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Bf4 bg7 5. e3 00 6. Be2 c6 7. Ne5 Ne8 8. e4 f6 9. Nf3 g5 10. Bg3 de4 11. Ne4 g4 12. Bc4+ e6 13. Ng1 f5 14. Bb8 Rb8 15. Nc5 Kh8 16. c3 Nd6 17. Bd3 b6 18. Nb3 c5 19. Qe2 Qc7 20. Bc2 cd4 21. Nd4 b5 22. 000 e5 23. Nb3 a5 24. h3 a4 25. 26. hg4 ab2+ 27. Kb1 Qc3 28. gf5 Qc2+!! 29. Kc2 Bf5+ 30. Kb3 Rfc8 31. Ngf3 Bc2+ 32. Kb4 e4 33. Nb1 ef3 34. gf3 Rc4+ 35. Qc4 bc4+ 0-1
  
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Reply #14 - 07/04/06 at 19:33:14
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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #13 - 07/04/06 at 16:23:10
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Viking, 

Mea culpa!

I'm so sorry to have mixed you up with TJ.  What a terrible insult, will you ever forgive me?
  
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Reply #12 - 07/04/06 at 13:02:55
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/04/06 at 09:28:18:
Taljechin, 
Thanks for the website reference......

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Re: Barry Attack Bibliography
Reply #11 - 07/04/06 at 09:28:18
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Taljechin, 

Thanks for the website reference.  I took a stab and wrote to IM Andrew Martin.  Unfortunately it looks like the last contribution to InternetChess.com was back in 1999.  The reference is bizarre, and none of my British friends or relatives have heard that one before.   

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Reply #10 - 07/04/06 at 09:02:26
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TalJechin wrote on 07/04/06 at 07:24:27:
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I'm guessing that the Barry of the Barry attack is the same person and Mark Goeller was making an obscure joke on his behalf.  I'd never heard that Barry meant rubbish either.


I don't think Mark Goeller is the one making the joke, as I'm sure I've read that in a chess book or perhaps in an article, most likely it was a repertoire book for black.


Andrew Martin wrote this back in 1999(?):

"B) The Barry (bullshit for outside UK) Attack"

Source:
http://www.internetchess.com/columns/amartin/150barry.shtml]http://web.archive.o...[/url]
  
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Reply #9 - 07/04/06 at 07:24:27
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I'm guessing that the Barry of the Barry attack is the same person and Mark Goeller was making an obscure joke on his behalf.  I'd never heard that Barry meant rubbish either.


I don't think Mark Goeller is the one making the joke, as I'm sure I've read that in a chess book or perhaps in an article, most likely it was a repertoire book for black.

Anyway, it's nice to see that even native speakers hadn't heard that slang before!



Btw, if any of the natives here feel like opening a new thread introducing us to the variety of dialects on the British Isles, I for one would be quite interested in learning about for example what differ Newcastle dialect from Liverpudlian and Manchester dialect, Yorkshire from Welsh english etc etc. 

I've never been to the US still in american accents I think I'd be able to place a whole bunch reasonably accurately, but most British accents sound roughly the same to me.   Embarrassed
  
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Reply #8 - 07/04/06 at 04:04:25
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A little research has produced the following:

The "Barry Attack" (D00): 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.e3 0-0 6.Be2 was played at least as early as 1931 by Soloviev against Kasparian.

The list of people who took up the Black side is really impressive, including Kasparov.

Here's a short list of famous people who lost as Black before 1990. (I chose that date because according to Goeller, the opening was first played in the 1980s.)

Dvoretsky, Gufeld, Vladimirov, Zsuzsa Polgar, Mark Hebden and quite a few others.

Polgar and Hebden later went on to play the position from the White side and still lost!   Embarrassed
Ok, they also won some.

Some of the "heroes" of the Barry, that is famous players who tried it more than once before 1990 include:

Sorokin, Kholmov, Pirc, Ian Rogers, Balashov, Antoshin, David Norwood, Julian Hodgson, Mark Hebden, Susan Polgar, and Prybil.  

One notable game was a victory by Kasparov as Black against Hort in 1988.  I guess by then the opening was known by the people Goeller cites.

DISCLAIMER:

As a fan of Smyslov, I recognise this general set-up from some of Smyslov's games (as White) in Zurich, 1953.  However, I would not consider this an attempt to win as White, and probably consider it a good way to lose!
  
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Reply #7 - 07/04/06 at 03:29:57
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I decided to let my ignorance stand rather than delete my last posting.

The "Barry" of the Milner Barry attack was apparently Philip Stuart Milner Barry.  I thought it was two separate people, but you know those uptight err upright British aristocratic types with three or four first names and two or three surnames.  ("Col. Paget-Paget-Smith, etc. (Mrs.)" from Monty Python springs to mind.)  

I'm guessing that the Barry of the Barry attack is the same person and Mark Goeller was making an obscure joke on his behalf.  I'd never heard that Barry meant rubbish either.


ADDENDUM

I've done some research on Milner Barry now, and have discovered that he never (or almost certainly never) played 1.d4 in a serious game in his entire career stretching from 1928-1980.  So the Barry attack couldn't have been named after him.   

I have a few other leads to check on to see if there's a Barry who actually played that line.  I sincerely doubt that Mr. Goeller is right about the origin of the name.
  
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Reply #6 - 07/04/06 at 03:21:53
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Alumbrado, 

There must be some reason that there are openings attributed to Barry and yet very few games.  At least Rauzer backed up his openings with memorable games.  (Or is it just that I am sorely uneducated in the greatness of the founder of these "attacks"?)
  
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Reply #5 - 07/03/06 at 10:37:11
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I have to say, it was news to me that "barry" means "rubbish" ... it must be some provincial thing which hasn't penetrated the great metropolis.
  

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Reply #4 - 07/02/06 at 18:16:01
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Yes indeed, and without any exceptions!  Wink
  
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Reply #3 - 07/02/06 at 14:44:17
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Surely one just needs to study all Mark Hebden's many Barry games?
  
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Reply #2 - 07/01/06 at 13:33:43
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There was also published some time ago an article written by Ukrainian IM Vladimir Okhotnik in Polish chess magazine "Panorama Szachowa". The author is an avid advocate of this line, and is using it mainly in rapidplay and blitz tournaments.
  
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Reply #1 - 11/25/05 at 03:35:51
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I've had a look and congratulations on a great job! I will certainly use it, as I've only seen Summerscale and Lane's works so far. Hopefully I and other white players will improve more from it than future opponents with the black pieces!
  
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Barry Attack Bibliography
11/23/05 at 20:08:50
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I have posted a bibliography on the Barry Attack:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2005/11/barry-attack-bibliograp...

Thanks for the suggestions in this forum (before they vanished!)

Any further suggestions -- especially to online sources -- are most welcome.
  
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