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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #34 - 09/23/06 at 13:12:22
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This is just to refresh this thread so that LG, with whom I'm having an interesting discussion about the 4 Pawns Attack, will see some analysis that I posted here.  See above relevant to 20...e4, about which I no longer think "!"
  

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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #33 - 04/11/06 at 03:13:47
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I saw on ChessAcademy's website that Erich Siebenhaar was going to release a chess assistant software on the Alekhine Defense.  Has this been released yet, and how does it compare to the monster books from the 80's?
  
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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #32 - 03/31/06 at 01:52:54
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Willempie wrote on 12/07/05 at 09:35:26:
Yesterday I had to face the Alekhine. Since I never bothered to look much up on this opening due to its rare occurrence and not yet having Khalifman's book I decided to play in "annoy"-mode:
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. exd6 exd6 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. c4 Nb6 9. Nc3 Nc6 
I followed up with d5 which wasnt good I think. 10 b3 and Bb2 seems to me to secure a nagging edge. 

Any suggestions if this is indeed annoying for black? My opponent surely found it annoying, due to lack of counterplay.


I remember talking to a friend of mine (elo 2239) a few years ago who played mostly the black side. He felt that the exchange variation was the best for an edge. That d5 move is something that should be respected and the edge it gave should be enough to have a comfortable game for white.
  
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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #31 - 03/24/06 at 20:28:03
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To Markovich

Erich Siebenhaar's book (I also think that the same happens with Bagirov's book and to some extent, the
book by Burguess mentions this line too) has a good analysis on the variation after 15. Qe2. The main line is 15 ... Bg6 (although several books mention the possibility of playing 15 ... Be6 but it appears
that this is untested). These books also mention 14 Qxd4 (instead of 14 Nxd4).
However, it does not appear to be any recent game (by major players) on these lines

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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #30 - 03/24/06 at 13:23:24
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So, I spent some time looking at Rozentalis' gambit, shown in the November 2005 update, against the 4 Pawns:  1. e4 Nf6  2. e5 Nd5  3. d4 d6  4. c4 Nb6 5. f4 dxe5  6. fxe5 Nc6  7. Be3 Bf5  8. Nc3 e6  9. Nf3 Be7  10. d5 Nb4  11. Nd4 Bg6  12. a3 Na6!  13. dxe6 0-0!, and I rather pleased by Black's prospects there.  However, there remains 11. Rc1.  I think White is considerably better after  11...exd5  12. a3 c5 (maybe 12...dxc4!? or 12...Nxc4!? but in each case I suspect "?!" is more like it) 13. axb5 d4  14. Bxd4 cxd4  14. Nxd4 Qb8 (14...Qc7  15. Qe2 Bg6  16. Ndb5) 15. Qe2!.  Parenthetically, I may be mistaken, but I don't think that this move appeares in Cox's book, although Chess Assistant shows several games with it, more than with 15. Nxf5.

Therefore I wonder what Rozentalis himself was planning to play after 11. Rc1.  Anyway, does anyone here have any thoughts on the merits of this move, and how Black should play against it?
  

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Reply #29 - 03/17/06 at 15:26:25
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On Markovich suggestion

9...Qd7 10. Be2 O-O-O 11. O-O Bg4! 12. c5 Nd5 13. Nxd5 Qxd5 14. b4! Qe4! 15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) .....

15. Qd2 looks interesting as it does not allow some of the tactics arising after 15.Qb3. Note, however,
that 15.Qb3 is recommended in the 2nd book by Burguess. The idea is, after 15 ... Nxd4 16. Nxd4 Bxe2 to play 17 Nxe2 (instead of 17 Rf4). The "referenced" game is Minasian-Donchenko which is also
mentioned in Cox book.

Looking at the data base, I also saw a posible (?!) interesting idea in the game Moser Khmelevsky
where Black plays 14. .... Q-d7 (with the idea of freeing d5). The game followed
15. Qa4 Kb8
16. Rfd1 Ne7
17. b5 Nd5
18. Bd2 f6

and Black appears to be Ok

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Reply #28 - 03/12/06 at 19:03:21
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Sorry, what I meant was 9...Qd7  10. Be2 O-O-O  11. O-O Bg4!  12. c5 Nd5  13. Nxd5 Qxd5  14. b4! Qe4!  15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) 15...f6  16. exf6 gxf6   17. Bd3 Qd5 (left these two moves out, sorry!)  18. b5 Ne5  19. Nxe5 fxe5  20. c6 e4! and Black appears to have good counterplay based on ...Rg8, possibly ...Bf3, and ...Bd6.


I have analyzed a number of lines where Black gets a juicy counterattack.  But more recently, I have my doubts, one reason being 21. cxb7+ Kb8  22. Bc2 (22. Be2 may also be good) 22...Rg8 (or 22...Bd6) 23. Kh1! planning Rae1 and ganging up on Black's e-pawn.  If necessary, White can play Bg1 and defend his king readily.
  
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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #27 - 03/12/06 at 13:28:28
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What is even better, our old passwords are still valid.
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What I meant was
Reply #26 - 03/12/06 at 03:27:25
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Sorry, what I meant was 9...Qd7  10. Be2 O-O-O  11. O-O Bg4!  12. c5 Nd5  13. Nxd5 Qxd5  14. b4! Qe4!  15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) 15...f6  16. exf6 gxf6   17. Bd3 Qd5 (left these two moves out, sorry!)  18. b5 Ne5  19. Nxe5 fxe5  20. c6 e4! and Black appears to have good counterplay based on ...Rg8, possibly ...Bf3, and ...Bd6.
  
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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #25 - 03/11/06 at 20:55:47
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Craig – don’t know if you’re a subscriber but a lot of it’s in the updates and some on the old forum, however briefly the problems which have recently arisen in the 4PA are thus:

 

6….c5/e6; it seems that 10 d6 is very strong. Notwithstanding Andrew’s brave efforts on Black’s part, I think Black is simply lost in Bryson-Luther (the queen sacrifice with 16 Qc1, in a past update somewhere). I also think Black was in trouble in Movsessian-Luther (in my book, also in the updates I think) following a simple Bxa7 at some obvious early stage, round about move 13/4. This was apparently mentioned in his Alekhine video in German by Luther (I haven’t seen this) and posted here by (I think) Inn2. For good measure I also think Black is struggling in the line in Bender-Rogulj, again in the updates I think).

 

6…c5/g6. I don’t like 8 h3 for the reasons I give in the book. Otherwise Black actually seems to be doing quite well – see Movsessian-someone in a recent update. A reasonable place to look.

 

9…Bg4. It seems to be agreed that White can force the tedious de Firmian-Atalik ending, and in the game Illescas-Baburin in a recent update White deviated slightly by delaying f4. This caused Black to self-destruct, but may also have objective merit by keeping the possibility of Be3-g5. Black could really use an improvement over Koch-Konopka: possibly what I suggest in my book, possibly something else.

 

The move order tricks trying to get …Bb4 before ….Nc6 don’t work IMHO – see my book.

 

The …Bb4/…Nc6 combo is dubious anyway for the reasons in the book.

 

9…Qd7/…Rd8 has had no games in it recently but has always been considered a tiny bit dodgy. Markovich posted some interesting thoughts on this before the Great Crash.

 

That leaves the rather dubious 5…g5/g6 ideas, and the old main line with 9…Be7, and what has depressed people there is the game Dominguez-Almeira, a quiet approach for White which seems to allow a clear edge. Rozentalis has recently sought to revive 10…Nb4, and time may tell about that. Markovich also posted some other ideas, which on the whole served to narrow the area in which Black should look rather than the reverse.

 

That may not help that much unless you’ve lashed out on either membership or my book, of course, but still. The Dominguez game is the real downer, I think, coming in a line where Black has always been considered comfortably equal. For real Alekhine anoraks, there was also a game recently which refuted a glib observation in my book (19…Bd5, if anyone’s counting) and suggests that Black may after all have to play the rather tediously equal B/N/N v B/B/N-and-damaged-pawns ending.

 



I'm amazed to find that this place exists again.  I thought it died.  Anyway, my main idea was 9...Qd7  10. Be2 O-O-O  11. O-O Bg4!  12. c5 Nd5  13. Nxd5 Qxd5  14. b4! Qe4!  15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) 15...f6  16. exf6 gxf6  17. b5 Ne5  18. Nxe5 fxe5  19. c6 e4! and Black appears to have good counterplay based on ...Rg8, possibly ...Bf3, and ...Bd6.   But can 20. b6!? be played?
  
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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #24 - 01/28/06 at 02:56:29
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As Scipio R says, 1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4 exd6 cxd6 5 Be2 g6 isn't really an Alburt, more an Exchange variation with ...cxd6.
  
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Reply #23 - 01/27/06 at 12:54:21
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In the Alburt proper (4 Nf3 g6), 5 Bc4 is the critical line. Playing something like Be2 or
ommitting c4 can hardly test Black's fianchetto.
By the way, in the sequence 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4 exd, ... Qxd6 is also an idea.
  
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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #22 - 01/24/06 at 13:08:53
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Alias wrote on 12/07/05 at 10:22:49:
Willempie: You should play c4 before exd6 to force the knight to go to b6. The exchange variation is quite annoying and I think it's a good choice. White usually gets a slight edge in the exd6 variation. In the cxd6 variation, which should be a bit more attractive, black is under some pressure in the Voronezh
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By this, I guess U think black should retreat to f6 with the knight.
In reallity however I think this rarely happens... Alekhine players are used to have the knight chased to b6....

I actually think the 4.exd6!? is a bit awkward to meet.
I would like to play 4-,cxd6 (as cxd6 gives black more counterplay in the exchange), but wonder what to play after a quiet waiting move like 5.Be2!? (instead of 5.c4 Nb6 - or do u think black should play Nf6 here as well?) I dont play Alburt and thus would like to avoid 5-,g6.....
  
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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #21 - 12/08/05 at 04:49:03
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You're probably right, but I didnt mind the knight retreating to f6 as that blocks the e7 bishop and gives my c1 better opportunities for development (b2 and g5 are good options in that case). And I also thought that the knight on d5 stopped any d5 pawn breaks and made c5 look really stupid.
Still on the whole c4 before exd6 may indeed be better, because the knight on b6 is really an abominable piece. In the game he lost because of that piece in the endgame.
  

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Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #20 - 12/07/05 at 10:22:49
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Willempie: You should play c4 before exd6 to force the knight to go to b6. The exchange variation is quite annoying and I think it's a good choice. White usually gets a slight edge in the exd6 variation. In the cxd6 variation, which should be a bit more attractive, black is under some pressure in the Voronezh
variation.
  

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