Latest Updates:
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) A New Look at the Alekhine (Read 20047 times)
Markovich
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 6099
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Joined: 09/17/04
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #34 - 09/23/06 at 13:12:22
Post Tools
This is just to refresh this thread so that LG, with whom I'm having an interesting discussion about the 4 Pawns Attack, will see some analysis that I posted here.  See above relevant to 20...e4, about which I no longer think "!"
  

The Great Oz has spoken!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MrAlekhine
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 12
Joined: 04/11/06
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #33 - 04/11/06 at 03:13:47
Post Tools
I saw on ChessAcademy's website that Erich Siebenhaar was going to release a chess assistant software on the Alekhine Defense.  Has this been released yet, and how does it compare to the monster books from the 80's?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
zatoichi
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 6
Joined: 03/31/06
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #32 - 03/31/06 at 01:52:54
Post Tools
Willempie wrote on 12/07/05 at 09:35:26:
Yesterday I had to face the Alekhine. Since I never bothered to look much up on this opening due to its rare occurrence and not yet having Khalifman's book I decided to play in "annoy"-mode:
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. exd6 exd6 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. c4 Nb6 9. Nc3 Nc6 
I followed up with d5 which wasnt good I think. 10 b3 and Bb2 seems to me to secure a nagging edge. 

Any suggestions if this is indeed annoying for black? My opponent surely found it annoying, due to lack of counterplay.


I remember talking to a friend of mine (elo 2239) a few years ago who played mostly the black side. He felt that the exchange variation was the best for an edge. That d5 move is something that should be respected and the edge it gave should be enough to have a comfortable game for white.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
lg(Guest)
Guest


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #31 - 03/24/06 at 20:28:03
Post Tools
To Markovich

Erich Siebenhaar's book (I also think that the same happens with Bagirov's book and to some extent, the
book by Burguess mentions this line too) has a good analysis on the variation after 15. Qe2. The main line is 15 ... Bg6 (although several books mention the possibility of playing 15 ... Be6 but it appears
that this is untested). These books also mention 14 Qxd4 (instead of 14 Nxd4).
However, it does not appear to be any recent game (by major players) on these lines

lg
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markovich
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 6099
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Joined: 09/17/04
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #30 - 03/24/06 at 13:23:24
Post Tools
So, I spent some time looking at Rozentalis' gambit, shown in the November 2005 update, against the 4 Pawns:  1. e4 Nf6  2. e5 Nd5  3. d4 d6  4. c4 Nb6 5. f4 dxe5  6. fxe5 Nc6  7. Be3 Bf5  8. Nc3 e6  9. Nf3 Be7  10. d5 Nb4  11. Nd4 Bg6  12. a3 Na6!  13. dxe6 0-0!, and I rather pleased by Black's prospects there.  However, there remains 11. Rc1.  I think White is considerably better after  11...exd5  12. a3 c5 (maybe 12...dxc4!? or 12...Nxc4!? but in each case I suspect "?!" is more like it) 13. axb5 d4  14. Bxd4 cxd4  14. Nxd4 Qb8 (14...Qc7  15. Qe2 Bg6  16. Ndb5) 15. Qe2!.  Parenthetically, I may be mistaken, but I don't think that this move appeares in Cox's book, although Chess Assistant shows several games with it, more than with 15. Nxf5.

Therefore I wonder what Rozentalis himself was planning to play after 11. Rc1.  Anyway, does anyone here have any thoughts on the merits of this move, and how Black should play against it?
  

The Great Oz has spoken!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
lg(Guest)
Guest


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #29 - 03/17/06 at 15:26:25
Post Tools
On Markovich suggestion

9...Qd7 10. Be2 O-O-O 11. O-O Bg4! 12. c5 Nd5 13. Nxd5 Qxd5 14. b4! Qe4! 15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) .....

15. Qd2 looks interesting as it does not allow some of the tactics arising after 15.Qb3. Note, however,
that 15.Qb3 is recommended in the 2nd book by Burguess. The idea is, after 15 ... Nxd4 16. Nxd4 Bxe2 to play 17 Nxe2 (instead of 17 Rf4). The "referenced" game is Minasian-Donchenko which is also
mentioned in Cox book.

Looking at the data base, I also saw a posible (?!) interesting idea in the game Moser Khmelevsky
where Black plays 14. .... Q-d7 (with the idea of freeing d5). The game followed
15. Qa4 Kb8
16. Rfd1 Ne7
17. b5 Nd5
18. Bd2 f6

and Black appears to be Ok

lg
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markovich(Guest)
Guest


Re: What I meant was
Reply #28 - 03/12/06 at 19:03:21
Post Tools
Quote:
Sorry, what I meant was 9...Qd7  10. Be2 O-O-O  11. O-O Bg4!  12. c5 Nd5  13. Nxd5 Qxd5  14. b4! Qe4!  15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) 15...f6  16. exf6 gxf6   17. Bd3 Qd5 (left these two moves out, sorry!)  18. b5 Ne5  19. Nxe5 fxe5  20. c6 e4! and Black appears to have good counterplay based on ...Rg8, possibly ...Bf3, and ...Bd6.


I have analyzed a number of lines where Black gets a juicy counterattack.  But more recently, I have my doubts, one reason being 21. cxb7+ Kb8  22. Bc2 (22. Be2 may also be good) 22...Rg8 (or 22...Bd6) 23. Kh1! planning Rae1 and ganging up on Black's e-pawn.  If necessary, White can play Bg1 and defend his king readily.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MNb
God Member
*****
Offline


Rudolf Spielmann forever

Posts: 10760
Location: Moengo
Joined: 01/05/04
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #27 - 03/12/06 at 13:28:28
Post Tools
"I'm amazed to find that this place exists again."
What is even better, our old passwords are still valid.
Welcome back.
  

The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged.
GC Lichtenberg
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markovich(Guest)
Guest


What I meant was
Reply #26 - 03/12/06 at 03:27:25
Post Tools
Sorry, what I meant was 9...Qd7  10. Be2 O-O-O  11. O-O Bg4!  12. c5 Nd5  13. Nxd5 Qxd5  14. b4! Qe4!  15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) 15...f6  16. exf6 gxf6   17. Bd3 Qd5 (left these two moves out, sorry!)  18. b5 Ne5  19. Nxe5 fxe5  20. c6 e4! and Black appears to have good counterplay based on ...Rg8, possibly ...Bf3, and ...Bd6.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markovich(Guest)
Guest


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #25 - 03/11/06 at 20:55:47
Post Tools
Quote:
Craig – don’t know if you’re a subscriber but a lot of it’s in the updates and some on the old forum, however briefly the problems which have recently arisen in the 4PA are thus:

 

6….c5/e6; it seems that 10 d6 is very strong. Notwithstanding Andrew’s brave efforts on Black’s part, I think Black is simply lost in Bryson-Luther (the queen sacrifice with 16 Qc1, in a past update somewhere). I also think Black was in trouble in Movsessian-Luther (in my book, also in the updates I think) following a simple Bxa7 at some obvious early stage, round about move 13/4. This was apparently mentioned in his Alekhine video in German by Luther (I haven’t seen this) and posted here by (I think) Inn2. For good measure I also think Black is struggling in the line in Bender-Rogulj, again in the updates I think).

 

6…c5/g6. I don’t like 8 h3 for the reasons I give in the book. Otherwise Black actually seems to be doing quite well – see Movsessian-someone in a recent update. A reasonable place to look.

 

9…Bg4. It seems to be agreed that White can force the tedious de Firmian-Atalik ending, and in the game Illescas-Baburin in a recent update White deviated slightly by delaying f4. This caused Black to self-destruct, but may also have objective merit by keeping the possibility of Be3-g5. Black could really use an improvement over Koch-Konopka: possibly what I suggest in my book, possibly something else.

 

The move order tricks trying to get …Bb4 before ….Nc6 don’t work IMHO – see my book.

 

The …Bb4/…Nc6 combo is dubious anyway for the reasons in the book.

 

9…Qd7/…Rd8 has had no games in it recently but has always been considered a tiny bit dodgy. Markovich posted some interesting thoughts on this before the Great Crash.

 

That leaves the rather dubious 5…g5/g6 ideas, and the old main line with 9…Be7, and what has depressed people there is the game Dominguez-Almeira, a quiet approach for White which seems to allow a clear edge. Rozentalis has recently sought to revive 10…Nb4, and time may tell about that. Markovich also posted some other ideas, which on the whole served to narrow the area in which Black should look rather than the reverse.

 

That may not help that much unless you’ve lashed out on either membership or my book, of course, but still. The Dominguez game is the real downer, I think, coming in a line where Black has always been considered comfortably equal. For real Alekhine anoraks, there was also a game recently which refuted a glib observation in my book (19…Bd5, if anyone’s counting) and suggests that Black may after all have to play the rather tediously equal B/N/N v B/B/N-and-damaged-pawns ending.

 



I'm amazed to find that this place exists again.  I thought it died.  Anyway, my main idea was 9...Qd7  10. Be2 O-O-O  11. O-O Bg4!  12. c5 Nd5  13. Nxd5 Qxd5  14. b4! Qe4!  15. Qd2! (better than 15. Qb3 Nxd4) 15...f6  16. exf6 gxf6  17. b5 Ne5  18. Nxe5 fxe5  19. c6 e4! and Black appears to have good counterplay based on ...Rg8, possibly ...Bf3, and ...Bd6.   But can 20. b6!? be played?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John Cox(Guest)
Guest


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #24 - 01/28/06 at 02:56:29
Post Tools
As Scipio R says, 1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4 exd6 cxd6 5 Be2 g6 isn't really an Alburt, more an Exchange variation with ...cxd6.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Scipio Rex(Guest)
Guest


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #23 - 01/27/06 at 12:54:21
Post Tools
In the Alburt proper (4 Nf3 g6), 5 Bc4 is the critical line. Playing something like Be2 or
ommitting c4 can hardly test Black's fianchetto.
By the way, in the sequence 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4 exd, ... Qxd6 is also an idea.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Viking
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 673
Location: Norway
Joined: 10/12/04
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #22 - 01/24/06 at 13:08:53
Post Tools
Alias wrote on 12/07/05 at 10:22:49:
Willempie: You should play c4 before exd6 to force the knight to go to b6. The exchange variation is quite annoying and I think it's a good choice. White usually gets a slight edge in the exd6 variation. In the cxd6 variation, which should be a bit more attractive, black is under some pressure in the Voronezh
variation.


Finally THE Forum is back! Smiley

By this, I guess U think black should retreat to f6 with the knight.
In reallity however I think this rarely happens... Alekhine players are used to have the knight chased to b6....

I actually think the 4.exd6!? is a bit awkward to meet.
I would like to play 4-,cxd6 (as cxd6 gives black more counterplay in the exchange), but wonder what to play after a quiet waiting move like 5.Be2!? (instead of 5.c4 Nb6 - or do u think black should play Nf6 here as well?) I dont play Alburt and thus would like to avoid 5-,g6.....
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Willempie
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing
.com!

Posts: 4312
Location: Holland
Joined: 01/07/05
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #21 - 12/08/05 at 04:49:03
Post Tools
You're probably right, but I didnt mind the knight retreating to f6 as that blocks the e7 bishop and gives my c1 better opportunities for development (b2 and g5 are good options in that case). And I also thought that the knight on d5 stopped any d5 pawn breaks and made c5 look really stupid.
Still on the whole c4 before exd6 may indeed be better, because the knight on b6 is really an abominable piece. In the game he lost because of that piece in the endgame.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Alias
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 1512
Location: East of the river Svartån
Joined: 11/19/04
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #20 - 12/07/05 at 10:22:49
Post Tools
Willempie: You should play c4 before exd6 to force the knight to go to b6. The exchange variation is quite annoying and I think it's a good choice. White usually gets a slight edge in the exd6 variation. In the cxd6 variation, which should be a bit more attractive, black is under some pressure in the Voronezh
variation.
  

Don't check me with no lightweight stuff.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Willempie
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing
.com!

Posts: 4312
Location: Holland
Joined: 01/07/05
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #19 - 12/07/05 at 09:35:26
Post Tools
Yesterday I had to face the Alekhine. Since I never bothered to look much up on this opening due to its rare occurrence and not yet having Khalifman's book I decided to play in "annoy"-mode:
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. exd6 exd6 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. c4 Nb6 9. Nc3 Nc6 
I followed up with d5 which wasnt good I think. 10 b3 and Bb2 seems to me to secure a nagging edge. 

Any suggestions if this is indeed annoying for black? My opponent surely found it annoying, due to lack of counterplay.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #18 - 12/01/05 at 19:16:02
Post Tools
Somthing horrifying about the omega gambit! 

It has a big plus score for black according to chesslive.de!

What could this mean?!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #17 - 12/01/05 at 18:37:28
Post Tools
Quote:


What is the Omega Gambit?
U dont seam to have very high thoughts about this system, and probably nothing for me to worry about, but it could be interesting to know the moves...

How would u get to play the BDG anyway? 3.d4 Nxe4 is not a BDG (however similar ideas)



Funny you should ask. Tim McGrew was asked if there were any pointless gambits and he came up with one against 1.nf6 which and he has played in constant bullet games on ICC 2 min or less. This is not really the testing ground for an opening. 

Any way the opening goes like this

1.e4 Nf6 2.d4??!! 

This is extremely dubious the idea is that after Nxd4 Nc3 and Nxc3 with the idea that black has no pieces out and no lines open! And the Knight is gone so that leaves the king side theoretically weak. 

A testiment to the soundness of this opening is that clyde nakamura has played it quite a few times. *the unorthodox fans go wild in the stands*

Its worth looking at the actual article on chess cafe if ya feel like down loading the gambit cartel zip file. 

Peace
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
8arms
Full Member
***
Offline


If you don't shoot, you
won't score!

Posts: 136
Location: Redcar
Joined: 05/16/05
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #16 - 12/01/05 at 07:28:58
Post Tools
Wow, I'm impressed by John Cox's contribution to this thread and the way you mention actual game references/sources to check out with the critical moves/positions. Thanks!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
lg
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing.com!

Posts: 604
Location: Lisbon
Joined: 04/18/05
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #15 - 11/30/05 at 12:47:33
Post Tools
Concerning

9…Qd7/…Rd8 has had no games in it recently but has always been considered a tiny bit dodgy. Markovich posted some interesting thoughts on this before the Great Crash

that J. Cox mentioned in his recent post, could someone
post Markovich's thoughts on the line?

Thanks, lg
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
CraigEvans
God Member
*****
Offline


If I can't sacrifice a
pawn, I'll throw my rook
in

Posts: 588
Location: Bryn, South Wales
Joined: 07/14/03
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #14 - 11/30/05 at 09:12:33
Post Tools
Actually that's a great help John, thanks! While I'm no longer a subscriber to the articles here, that is more a reflection on the fact that I never have time to read them than a smear on their undoubted quality (certainly the ones I've subscribed to have been excellent). 

I'm not surprised that the queen sacrifice lines after 6...c5/e6 are turning out to be unsound, even when I played the line myself (before I switched my attention to 5...g5) I felt the lines reaked of desperation. I've never taken much of a look at the ...g6 lines in any Alekhine variation but have never been a fan of fianchettoing the KB so if something were to convince me to take the Alekhine back up, this would not be it.

I'll need to take a closer look at the Atalik endgame, I've not studied it in a while but my impression was always that black should be okay here. This development with delaying/omitting f4 may well be of note, however.

Thanks again John, I now know where to direct my attention both as white and black to rehabilitate or bury the Alekhine!

Regards, 
Craig  Grin

  

"Give a man a pawn, and he'll smell a rat. Give a man a piece, and he'll smell a patzer." - Me.

"If others have seen further than me, it is because giants have been standing on my shoulders."
Back to top
IP Logged
 
John Cox
Guest


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #13 - 11/30/05 at 08:16:03
Post Tools
Craig – don’t know if you’re a subscriber but a lot of it’s in the updates and some on the old forum, however briefly the problems which have recently arisen in the 4PA are thus:

 

6….c5/e6; it seems that 10 d6 is very strong. Notwithstanding Andrew’s brave efforts on Black’s part, I think Black is simply lost in Bryson-Luther (the queen sacrifice with 16 Qc1, in a past update somewhere). I also think Black was in trouble in Movsessian-Luther (in my book, also in the updates I think) following a simple Bxa7 at some obvious early stage, round about move 13/4. This was apparently mentioned in his Alekhine video in German by Luther (I haven’t seen this) and posted here by (I think) Inn2. For good measure I also think Black is struggling in the line in Bender-Rogulj, again in the updates I think).

 

6…c5/g6. I don’t like 8 h3 for the reasons I give in the book. Otherwise Black actually seems to be doing quite well – see Movsessian-someone in a recent update. A reasonable place to look.

 

9…Bg4. It seems to be agreed that White can force the tedious de Firmian-Atalik ending, and in the game Illescas-Baburin in a recent update White deviated slightly by delaying f4. This caused Black to self-destruct, but may also have objective merit by keeping the possibility of Be3-g5. Black could really use an improvement over Koch-Konopka: possibly what I suggest in my book, possibly something else.

 

The move order tricks trying to get …Bb4 before ….Nc6 don’t work IMHO – see my book.

 

The …Bb4/…Nc6 combo is dubious anyway for the reasons in the book.

 

9…Qd7/…Rd8 has had no games in it recently but has always been considered a tiny bit dodgy. Markovich posted some interesting thoughts on this before the Great Crash.

 

That leaves the rather dubious 5…g5/g6 ideas, and the old main line with 9…Be7, and what has depressed people there is the game Dominguez-Almeira, a quiet approach for White which seems to allow a clear edge. Rozentalis has recently sought to revive 10…Nb4, and time may tell about that. Markovich also posted some other ideas, which on the whole served to narrow the area in which Black should look rather than the reverse.

 

That may not help that much unless you’ve lashed out on either membership or my book, of course, but still. The Dominguez game is the real downer, I think, coming in a line where Black has always been considered comfortably equal. For real Alekhine anoraks, there was also a game recently which refuted a glib observation in my book (19…Bd5, if anyone’s counting) and suggests that Black may after all have to play the rather tediously equal B/N/N v B/B/N-and-damaged-pawns ending.

 

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
CraigEvans
God Member
*****
Offline


If I can't sacrifice a
pawn, I'll throw my rook
in

Posts: 588
Location: Bryn, South Wales
Joined: 07/14/03
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #12 - 11/30/05 at 05:19:47
Post Tools
I played the Alekhine a few years when I was younger (admittedly with atrocious results), but always it was alluded to that 4.Nf3 was the critical move and a near-refutation of the alekhine. However I personally have always felt that the FPA was the really critical line, and it seems while I've been away from the fold everyone's started talking about the FPA as almost a refutation of the Alekhine.

Just for my clarity, could someone inform me of the line(s) which are meant to be causing so much grief for black? From what I remember there were a couple of rook sacrifice lines for white which were thought to be critical 5-10 years ago, but were insufficient for an advantage against correct black defence. While I'm sure the early ...c5 lines are probably unsound, I was under the impression that the old main line was holding and would be most interested to see the improvements found.

Regards,
Craig
  

"Give a man a pawn, and he'll smell a rat. Give a man a piece, and he'll smell a patzer." - Me.

"If others have seen further than me, it is because giants have been standing on my shoulders."
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Viking
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 673
Location: Norway
Joined: 10/12/04
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #11 - 11/29/05 at 13:29:09
Post Tools
Quote:
If say 1.e4 nf6 2.Nc3 d5 i would be tempted to test black with the BDG! Which is what I aim for when i dont play the crazy and most likely just plain bad Omega Gambit....


What is the Omega Gambit?
U dont seam to have very high thoughts about this system, and probably nothing for me to worry about, but it could be interesting to know the moves...

How would u get to play the BDG anyway? 3.d4 Nxe4 is not a BDG (however similar ideas)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #10 - 11/29/05 at 12:50:39
Post Tools
If say 1.e4 nf6 2.Nc3 d5 i would be tempted to test black with the BDG! Which is what I aim for when i dont play the crazy and most likely just plain bad Omega Gambit. Believe it or not i won my first game with the omega gambit on line but i must admit i was rather lucky and got out of it by sacrificing material and hoping to confuse him or her. It worked and i won!

Any way Im looking for a good line which doesnt involve the e5 push from white i just dont like extending like that. 

Maybe Nc3 is the way for me to go...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John Cox
Guest


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #9 - 11/28/05 at 14:47:18
Post Tools
If 2 Nc3 were the best move, then 1 e4 would long since have fallen into disuse, since 2...e5 leaves White with no opening which present day grandmasters consider a reasonable attempt to play for the advantage.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Viking
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 673
Location: Norway
Joined: 10/12/04
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #8 - 11/28/05 at 11:22:40
Post Tools
Quote:
1. e4, Nf6 2. Nc3!? and then what ? 2... e5 as advocated is some books is not an Alekhine...

Black has many (reasonable) options:
  • e5 - is a position from the vienna
  • e6 - is a position from the french
  • d6 - is a position from the Pirc
  • d5 - is a position from the Scandinavian
  • Nc6 - is a position from the Nimzowitch defence

So please tell me: How should black continue to play the Alekhine way?.... Wink Seams impossible...

The line that is commonly considered most Alekhine, is 2-,d5. (which is the line I normally play, but also experimenting with 2-,e6!?)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Michael Ayton
God Member
*****
Offline


‘You’re never alone with
a doppelgänger.’

Posts: 1956
Location: durham
Joined: 04/19/03
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #7 - 11/28/05 at 05:39:40
Post Tools
Indeed 2 ...e5 is not an Alekhine. But it's what I'd play!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Strptzr
Full Member
***
Offline


I love ChessPublishing.com!

Posts: 207
Location: Gent
Joined: 11/05/05
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #6 - 11/28/05 at 04:00:23
Post Tools
1. e4, Nf6 2. Nc3!? and then what ? 2... e5 as advocated is some books is not an Alekhine...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
basqueknight
Ex Member


Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #5 - 11/27/05 at 23:14:36
Post Tools
No Offense taken i think its a great way to start the threads back up and kind of refreshing. Like Starting Out: ...

This It opens it up to look at individual lines as well as common Middle game positions and complete games that we may find theoretically important. 

So i like the title. Chess after all is a search for truth and that requires a new look at things some times.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
lg
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing.com!

Posts: 604
Location: Lisbon
Joined: 04/18/05
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #4 - 11/26/05 at 12:02:39
Post Tools
8arms

This is a book on what he suggests white plays
after any answer to e4. 
He suggestes Nf3 at move 4 after the
normal sequence in the Alekhine.

lg
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
8arms
Full Member
***
Offline


If you don't shoot, you
won't score!

Posts: 136
Location: Redcar
Joined: 05/16/05
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #3 - 11/26/05 at 11:13:58
Post Tools
Btw, I'm '8arms' not Redcar, thats my location - its ashame like, no coverage of the 4Ps against it.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
lg
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing.com!

Posts: 604
Location: Lisbon
Joined: 04/18/05
Gender: Male
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #2 - 11/26/05 at 10:55:11
Post Tools
Redcar

Nope, he suggests 4.Nf3

lg
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
8arms
Full Member
***
Offline


If you don't shoot, you
won't score!

Posts: 136
Location: Redcar
Joined: 05/16/05
Re: A New Look at the Alekhine
Reply #1 - 11/26/05 at 10:47:12
Post Tools
@lg, anything on the Four Pawns Attack against the Alekhine?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
lg
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing.com!

Posts: 604
Location: Lisbon
Joined: 04/18/05
Gender: Male
A New Look at the Alekhine
11/26/05 at 10:33:05
Post Tools
First, my apologies to basketnight as the title is supposed to be a joke on th etitle of his recent posts
on other openings.

But, the title might also be what I think about the recent  Khalifman's book.

It appears that most (maybe, all of them) books 
written on the Alekhine are written by players
which frequently play the Alekhine.

Here, we see a book written by someone which PROBABLY rates the Alekhine as equal (in relevance)
to the 4 knights variation of the Sicilian, and
is a good player.

That is, being a good player, I may easily understand
that as giving a menu for white, he may think that
he needs to explain more about the modern 4...Bg4
or evel the Alburt, rather them the Miles or the Kengis
(I am not saying his analysis may not be a bit flawed).

I think that a reasonable good player but not that well
acquainted with the Alekhine, may slip more frequently
in the Bg4, g6, Nc6 variations.

Another reason for his "short" analysis on the Miles and Kengis may be due to the "broadcasting" time in the
chess area. Perhaps, one of the
main messages of J. Cox's book (use the Miles!) may yet
not have reached everyone.

One thing that has puzzled me (when I saw the layout
of the book in a lost thread) was that within the 4...Bg4
variation, he was spending as much time with 5  Nc6 as
with the more common 5 ... e6 and 5 ... c6.
But then, looking at his analysis, I got the idea (mentioned before) that for a white player not acquainted with the Alekhine, Nc6 may need some 
explanation rating the number of pages gicven to the
other two more common variations.
In fact (I might be wrong) but this was the first book
where I saw the following line:
4. Nf3 Bg4
5. Be2 Nc6
6. 0-0 Qd7 (the "new" move)
with K saying that one option for Black is this
followed by 0-0-0. His analysis show that White must 
play well.

I also liked is brief reference to 
5    Bf5
in the Larsen line. Lots of people play that move in ICC
(Alekhine played it in 192?) and it is worth trying to
get out the bishop before playing Nd7. Of course,
a strong move (as suggested by K) shows that Bf5
may not be that good. He gives a line where Black
(at best) gets two pawns on the f column and I agree 
that may not be good (however, I believe that a
similar situation happens for White in the quenside
in the Vienna).
I also liked he revisiting the first Tal Larsen game 
where
5 ... e6 
was played (I agree - why shut in the bishop)
but what i liked most was   
6 Qf3 Qe7 (first time I saw this move - and why shutin
the other bishop?) but looking at K's analysis, again
one sees that white need to play quite well.

Some lines look like Anand playing them, e.g.
the variation against the Alburt (I was one of that spent a lot of time studying the complications of the Ng5 move an dthen was really disapointed with the easy win
of Anand agains Timman, I think), the variations against
the Miles and Kengis, but I am not sure whether the
suggested variations against the Larsen 5 ..Nd7 or 
the 4 ... Nc6 would be played by Anand.

Two things on the last Alehine post in chesspublishing.
com. I am glad J, Cox is showing his Miles games and
I dont agree with A. Martin's accessment on the last 
game that the Alburt is alive. That game does not show anything.

lg
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo