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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #19 - 05/29/06 at 07:29:45
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I think that the allusion is to my analysis of the lines following:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.f3 Bg7 7.Be3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.0-0-0 Nxd4 10.Bxd4 Be6 11.Kb1 Qc7 12.h4 Rfc8 13.h5 Qa5 14.hxg6 hxg6 15.a3 Rab8 16.Bd3 Bc4 17.Be3 Bxd3

and many lines feature Black breaking through in a spectacular fashion with b5-b4.

Looking at this line brings back some pleasant memories, but I abandoned 9...Nxd4 around the time when I found this resource in the 17.Be3 lines, so it was easy to share; I'm glad others found it useful.

Lot's more on this line (Golubev's suggestion amongst others) is in an old thread (some of the analysis begins with me posting under the pseudonym Charles Kane): http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1073869791/0

As for the critical lines, well, I don't think that Black has much, and this is the reason why I gave up on Nxd4.
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #18 - 05/28/06 at 10:35:56
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@Semprun: which 19. ... b4 by Scholar do you refer to?

I have also analyzed the positions after 19.Na2 with Fritz and it seems that white can count on a safe edge. Seems like 9. ... Nd4 is busted for black.  Cry
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #17 - 04/28/06 at 20:10:50
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Well checking my profile it's been 3 years of subscription now. I would say Delchev book or other high quality books provide more up to date material... Funny, this is THE INTERNET!

Or else one would have to do as Mr. Dearing for the Dragon, download from TWIC and have a look at the games....
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #16 - 04/28/06 at 20:05:24
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It is funny. I get WWTD II and start playing the Qa5 lines. They are busted. I subscribe to ChessPublishing... Does Mr Ward provide a fix in the forum. No.

I get Edward Dearing book. In the meantime the 9.0-0-0 Bd7 line of WWTD 2 looks pretty much busted. I pinpoint a possible problem in the 9.0-0-0 Nd4 line, secondary recommendation of WWTD 2. Do we get a 'hint' from Mr. Ward ? (no we do not want those important 'secrets' to be revealed...). NO.

Mr. Golubev contributes several times although the best one I have received is by Scholar here. His b4 was simply amazing....

After 2+ years of subscription... do we get critical lines. NO. Just a few games with little theoretical interest.

I am amazed we continue the subscription. Accoding to John Watson reviews, this is cutting edge theory... Well, some sites more than others... (Mr. Prie is commenting about the critical line of the Scandinavian eveywhere, here CBM, New in Chess, etc...).

It is a rather sad state of affairs I would say...
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #15 - 04/21/06 at 20:00:12
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20.c3 d5 is what I played and got hammered after 21.Qg5 Qd8 22 ed5

Black looses the a7 pawn for zero compensation. Very DEPRESSING



Yes. White should be better after 20.c3!
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #14 - 04/20/06 at 19:28:04
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20.c3 d5 is what I played and got hammered after 21.Qg5 Qd8 22 ed5

Black looses the a7 pawn for zero compensation. Very DEPRESSING
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #13 - 04/20/06 at 19:20:43
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9...d5 is fine, but it is nice to have a side variation that works. Half of the points I get these days is when the opponent has to think for himself and is not following a 25 move variation worked out with Fritz and friends at home!

I am currently able to play 5 Sicilian variations, to make it harder for opponents to prepare. Databases are becoming a bit of a nightmare (professionals can vary their openings easier, I believe).

Also 9...d5 has a lot to study, and I had enough study with the Soltis already, as recommended by Dearing. Besides, variations are the same than in 9.0-0-0 Nd4 (a tempo less) if white plays 9.g4

So those are my reasons...
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #12 - 04/20/06 at 19:18:57
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Very short analyse:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 0–0 9.0–0–0 Nxd4  10.Bxd4 Be6 11.Kb1 Qc7 12.h4 Rfc8 13.h5 Qa5 14.hxg6 hxg6 15.a3 Rab8 16.Bd3 Bc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Qc1 e6 19.Na2 Rbc8 20.Nb4 (20.c3 d5!?) Qc7 21.c3 a5 22.Nc2 b5 23.g4 b4 24.axb4 axb4 25.g5 Nxe4 26.Bxg7 Nxc3+ 27.Bxc3 bxc3 28.Rh2 Qb7 29.Ne3 R4c5 30.Rdh1 Kf8 31.Rh8+ Ke7 32.Rxc8 Rxc8 unclear endgame.
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #11 - 04/20/06 at 09:03:34
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I am not vey motivated to find something for black because i think that 18.Bxf6 gives a very safe edge for white, as would say Golubev White is playing for 2 results 1-0 or 1/2-1/2. 9.000 ! Bd7?! seems very difficult for black but what do you think of 9.000 d5!? is it really so good for white ? and which precise line ?
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #10 - 04/19/06 at 07:32:26
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Ok, fellows, can anybody help? The 'well kept secrets' turned out to be what I played and got hammered. Any suggestions after 19.Na2?

Thanks


Scholar's 19...b4 in one of these lines turned out to be pretty amazing. I am surprised he gave it away and even worked better than what Golubev suggested, I was shocked!
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #9 - 02/16/06 at 12:46:32
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I Played 19...Rbc8 ..... and RESIGNED a few moves later  Cry
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #8 - 02/09/06 at 09:44:20
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1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2 
O-O 9. O-O-O Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Be6 11. Kb1 Qc7 12. h4 Rfc8 13. h5 Qa5 14. hxg6 hxg6 
15. a3 Rab8 16. Bd3 Bc4 17. Bxc4 Rxc4 18. Qc1 (Bennedik) e6 19. Na2   

and after 19.... Rbc8 Black should be doing well.  Now White has to be careful.

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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #7 - 02/09/06 at 08:15:06
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Mister Semprun 19.Nge2 ? what position do you discuss ? and what move do you suggest to reach equality for black ?
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #6 - 02/09/06 at 02:58:00
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In reference to 19.Nge2.

The position is not even +=, which is very nice for Black but not very good news for White.
  
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Re: A diificult move in the 9.0-0-0 variation
Reply #5 - 01/29/06 at 14:13:55
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Well Mister BladeII, i understand that yo dont want to share your discoveries but what position do you discuss ? after 19.g4 or 19.Na2+= or before ?
  
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